Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x09 - "Into the Forest I Go"

[Snarfies]

I would assume that this is a production error then. The team that makes those bridge displays has dropped the ball several times already. They used a Bird of Prey pictogram for both a battlecruiser, and those Klingon Raiders, and the also used a pictogram of the Shinzou for the Gagarin. I think we can add this to the list since the way it was shown it was the final jump that Lorca did the override on.

Noway this is an production error this is the best spoiler they can come up with for the one who is real sharp. What you now know is that Lorca wants to travel back in time ha ha or alternative reality. The real question is why he want to do that to eliminate the Admiral? who becomes a risk not so for himself (however he would be decommissioned by the advise of the Admiral) but rather for Section31 who he probely is a member/agent of. So "The Needs of Section31 Outweigh the Needs of the Lorca" Ha ha or are the same by coincident. Great plots to think of.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

TOS kinda screwed this up from the beginning, by having Sulu, and Chekov in "command gold" yet Spock wore the regular science division colors, so for any shows following it really is a free for all. The only explanation that really fits, is that officers have some degree of choice in wearing command colors, or their department colors. Helm would thematically fit in with operations.

Helm fits with command. Because the primary responsibility of a ship's captain is to be the ship's driver, using the naval model which Trek is based on. A ship's captain must know how to maneuver his/her vessel. And be able to train others to do so.

 

[Mechanoid1]

Lorca doesn't share his eyedrops.

Maybe not with you.
https://www.inverse.com/article/383...episode-9-ending-recap-review-spoilers-mirror

 

[cultcross]

Yet they were only 3 hours away from a Starbase at warp 5.

And having to fight their way through Klingons to get there. They can be safe right now, or risk attack en route. Stamets chooses to get the ship home now. That seems quite reasonable to me as a choice to make.

 

[Noname Given]

Cliffhangers need to grab me by the balls with perhaps "fear".

Have the Borg Assimilated Picard and set course for Earth?

Have the Dominion taken Deep Space Nine?

Is a space dolphin screaming out of a vortex intent of eating Kathryn Janeway?

Is there a p52 Mustang opening fire on a shuttle craft thinking it's approaching a safe harbour?



No one is in "immediate" danger, so I am not worried "how will they get out of this fine mess" because I have no idea what fine mess they are in short of a broken satnav.

Dummies who know far less about Star Trek than us might think that they are lost and might just need to ask directions to get home, which is not difficult or dangerous, and barely requiring a tediously nonfantastic real world solution to a real world problem.

Yeah, it wasn't much of a Cliffhanger, but I believe the situation got switched in that the episode BEFORE this episode was originally slated to be the 'mid season cliffhanger; (hence the: "OMG! - The planet sent out a signal drawing the Klingons to it - do we run or save the sentient life on the Planet?"). This last episode appeared to just have the the standard Here's the ongoing story - ongoing...tune in next week vibe.

hard to change what you completed when marketing changes it's mind as to what will be released when.

 

[Gonzo]

And having to fight their way through Klingons to get there. They can be safe right now, or risk attack en route. Stamets chooses to get the ship home now. That seems quite reasonable to me as a choice to make.

Lorca seemed quite happy to go the slow way but Stamets wanted to get everyone back safely.

Alas the best of intentions don't always end with good results, I didn't get any kind of ulterior motive vibe from either of them.

 

[cultcross]

Lorca seemed quite happy to go the slow way but Stamets wanted to get everyone back safely

Well I wouldn't say that. I think we were watching a classic manipulation. He was using the old "oh you don't need to do that" to get Stamets to do the jump. He even laid the groundwork earlier by selling Stamets on the idea that there was a great exploration to do after the war, changing his view of Lorca.

 

[Kor]

If I was Stamets, I would have said, "OK, I won't do it then."

Kor

 

[cultcross]

"yeah alright, I'll be in the not-a-holodeck"

 

[Gonzo]

Well I wouldn't say that. I think we were watching a classic manipulation. He was using the old "oh you don't need to do that" to get Stamets to do the jump. He even laid the groundwork earlier by selling Stamets on the idea that there was a great exploration to do after the war, changing his view of Lorca.

I think that was more so that Stamets would continue to be the navigator after they have returned to the Starbase myself, then Stamets shuts him down flat and says no more someone else will have to do it.

Then Stamets says he wants to get them all back safely after Lorca says they can just warp home.

It could be argued that Lorca may not want to go back to the Starbase as he believes he will be stripped of command, however that argument doesn't hold up since his success against Kol and the cloak data gathering as well as saving the Admirals arse from being munched on by Klingons.

I very much doubt Starfleet would offer him a medal then strip him of his command, then again Lorca cant be certain of what will happen and far better to stay away.

Gotta love the greyness of it all, very little black and white in this show which for me makes it more believable.

 

[cultcross]

I think you're taking things a lot more literally than me. I don't think there was a medal. There was a straightjacket (or the humane 23rd century equivalent) awaiting him and he knew it. He didn't want to go to the Starbase, and needed the jump drive to get wherever he did want to get.

 

[Gonzo]

I think you're taking things a lot more literally than me. I don't think there was a medal. There was a straightjacket (or the humane 23rd century equivalent) awaiting him and he knew it. He didn't want to go to the Starbase, and needed the jump drive to get wherever he did want to get.

I will hard if it turns out Lorca knew that the medal had a promotion bomb attached to it, Admirals don't get to fly around in Starships, well except in times of war or when a sacrificial lamb is needed so that the ship can be sliced in two by a gigantic Klingon Pizza Cutter.

Lorca looked as confused as everyone else when they didn't end up at the Starbase.

 

[cooleddie74]

"yeah alright, I'll be in the not-a-holodeck"

I NCC-1701-D what you did there.

 

[cultcross]

I wonder if organisations still use promotion to deal with problems in the 23rd century?! I bet they do. Only way to explain all those shady admirals.

 

[Feron]

I think you're taking things a lot more literally than me. I don't think there was a medal. There was a straightjacket (or the humane 24th century equivalent) awaiting him and he knew it. He didn't want to go to the Starbase, and needed the jump drive to get wherever he did want to get.

On that I will respectfully disagree.

During wartime, you need commanders who are successful, even ones that during peacetime you would kick out immediately. A classic example was General Patton during WWII. He slapped several PTSD soldiers and called them cowards. Absolutely reprehensible behavior that during peacetime would have had him immediately stripped of rank and punished.

But we were fighting the Nazis for survival. He wound up being re-assigned and then promoted to 4-star General because he was good at killing Nazis.

 

[cultcross]

Lorca looked as confused as everyone else when they didn't end up at the Starbase.

He looked confused at where they ended up, I agree - but I don't think for a minute he expected to be at the Starbase. He either expected to be somewhere else or is a great actor.

 

[cooleddie74]

I wonder if organisations still use promotion to deal with problems in the 23rd century?! I bet they do. Only way to explain all those shady admirals.

Even if he constantly broke regulations Harry Kim would still get screwed over.

 

[Refuge]

You haven't heard the reverse theory?

Up till now, Discovery was in a mirror universe, and just now, they are joining prime timeline in the "authentic" TOS era.

So that would mean the last nine episodes don't count?

Wow what a reset that would be.

 

[Jadeb]

If I was Stamets, I would have said, "OK, I won't do it then."

His decision struck me as really goofy. At that point, he knows the jumps are rewriting his brain, already made a major sacrifice to stop the Klingons and is explicitly concerned about his own well-being. Yet he decides to take another trip on the brain scrambler because the plot needs him to.

 

[Refuge]

Yet he decides to take another trip on the brain scrambler because the plot needs him to.

Yes. Just like the plot needed L'Rell to be on Discovery so she just happens to jump on Tyler's back during transport. Everyone has to be on the board for the next move in this careful contri.. woven piece.

I don't understand why Stamets has been allowed to dictate his part in the spore drive. He took it upon himself to make the first jump. However thereafter given the importance of this technology and his OBVIOUS deterioration it was like it was big reveal last episode. How stupid are these people? Tilly knew and did nothing, but anyone could see he was going loopy. Then when they realise he is, why didn't the chief medical officer step up? His loved one is a medical officer, why didn't he step up?