It's possible they fully develop their honor code after TOS since they didn't have honor in their TOS episodes either.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x06 - "Lethe"
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It's possible they fully develop their honor code after TOS since they didn't have honor in their TOS episodes either.
Assuming the Klingons didn't blow it up.
They had STYLE, though!
these terrorists were "logic purists" and "vulcan supremacists"
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Gonzo
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Yeah they were convinced the Federation couldn't survive with constant expansion and that sooner or later there would be a catastrophic natural disaster.
They got impatient waiting for it and engineered one instead.
The cruiser brought Cornwell to Discovery, but she used a Discovery shuttle to visit Cancri IV. Or didn’t she?
Btw, why is it Cornwell and not Cornwall?
Why would it be Cornwall?
I am still waiting to rate this episode. I’m having trouble separating content (not happy about Sarek/Burnham thing) from form (already watched three times and can’t stop thinking about episode). So it will be a 7 or a 10.
"The U.S.S. Discovery crew is intrigued by new addition, Lt. Ash Tyler. Sarek seeks Burnham’s help, rekindling memories from her past. Admiral Cornwell questions Lorca’s tactics." - TrekSpace
I may be the only one who thought Sarek’s decision was entirely logical and of course he wouldn’t share it with the humans who will have problems with it.
I love Lorca and thought it was a hoot when he decided for once in his life to ask Starfleet. Part of me was ‘he wouldn’t dare, would he?’ I’d feel a lot safer with him as a captain than any of the admirals around him.
Awesome beyond words... again. How I dreamed of a ST series like this during the '90's..! Loved the direction, with so many close-ups shots oddly centered, it gave the ep a special quality. I kept looking at how many time remained, and I kept thinking 'it's going to fast, don't want it to be over so soon!!' That is a very good sign for me!
Or then she used the shuttle to get from the Discovery to her own ship. Perhaps she doesn't like transporters.
Who knows? Sarek was traveling in a smallish, shuttlecraft-like vessel, too; the distances involved might not be too great. It's not as if they would be flying into actual Klingon territory, right?
We are left to wonder how capturing Cornwell is going to work in the Klingons' favor, and why she's better than a high-ranking Vulcan. If there's a Starfleet ship in orbit of Cancri IV, can the Klingons make a getaway without having to destroy that ship first? Can the two BoPs seen be a threat to a "cruiser"?
Timo Saloniemi
I can easily look past any flaws in this episode because of the revelation that Sarek picked Spock over Michael and how beautifully it fits with established canon. That alone made this episode an instant "10" for me. For the first time, Discovery IS Star Trek to me. Well done!
I'm curious, why would they not have the CMO in charge of Sarek's care? Instead I see it was Dr. Culber.
If Ash is a spy... Who looks and acts just a like a real human... Then they can copy Cornwall too.
I'm half expecting the CMO to be a mad scientist working 24/7 to develop the Klingon Genophage.
It was equally interesting that Sarek would find it difficult for Michael to be family as it was that the Vulcan leaders had difficulty accepting either Michael or Spock as Vulcan.
I suspect it was partially because he feels like he's failed her.
Perhaps, but there was that interesting beat in which the Vulcan leader challenged Sarek about why he hesitated to choose between Michael and Spock. Saying Michael would have betrayed that he felt more than he should, that his involvement in her life was more than an experiment. And over time, it proved to be a moment that Sarek didn't know Spock as well as he believed.
So. That was the very first episode that had almost zilch to do with the klingon war. Also? The very first regular episode I really liked.
The Plot
The plot was rather thin this week, this was a character episode. To be harsh: This was the 4th episode in a row with a "rescue mission under time pressure" (save the spore drive from the Glenn (ep3), save the colony (ep4), save Lorca (ep5) and save Sarek (ep6)). The other big thing happening was in the last few minutes of the episode, with female Admiral getting captured. Man, Starfleet SUCKS at war! You don't meet with the enemy on neutral ground without any kind of safeguarding.
Also: There are Vulcan fanatics and Vulcan racists. Which have surprisingly similar motives to the fanatic and racist klingons. Seems to be the topic of our time, isn't it?
The characters
The highlight of the episode. This episode delved a lot deeper into the Burnham-Sarek relationship. And I have to say: Frain is a way superiour Sarek compared to Ben Cross! He doesn't reach the hights of Mark Lenard. But he's good enough. I still don't know how I feel about Spock having a human adoptive sister. But they didn't make any major missteps, and if you look at it through the lense of exclusively this show, it really works.
The other major development is Lorca's fall from grace, and to see him slowly turning to the "dark side". I like that he is not the typical "surprise" bad guy that has been an evil schemer from the beginning, but that we are slowly witnessing his descent into madness. On the other hand, this makes the entire arc seem a bit like a random train of events, where everyone is just improvising on the spot, and nobody has a greater plan to work from. Which makes everything feel a bit more random, and more influencent by the writers than the characters on the show. Still, his acting was superb! He sleeps with a phaser in his bed. Bunks his superiours. And got abs!
Only a secondary development, but one I very much liked, was the Burnham-Tilly mentoring relationship! A nice mirror to the Burnham-Georgiou relationship from the pilot. The jogging-sequence was a very nice scene. Who's with me, the very final scene of the entire series (whenever that will be) is going to be Tilly with her own spaceship?
"Evil"/"Mirror" Stamets was way over top. We know the spore-drive affects him negatively. But he hammed it up to eleven, the whole place was left with his bitemarks from chewing the scenery so much! If you ever wanted to see the classic "mad scientist" in Star Trek: Here he is. I liked understated "snark"-Stamets a lot more. Saru kind of got the short end of the stick this episode, a few episodes in a row. I like Saru. But the writers need to do a bit more with him, soon, or he is at risk at becoming a one-trick-pony with his prey-stick.
Presentation
This was one of the best structured episodes so far, Joe Menosky knows his stuff! Every plot and relationship had a set-up, a natural development, and paid off in the hand in one way or the other. Despite there being (almost) no direct action this episode, it had the best momentum of any episodes thus far, seemlessly connecting the A- and the B-plot and the overarching storylines and themes to a whole.
The CGI for Vulcan looked very nice, but not on the same level as ENT. It seems the vfx-guys of this show are better at integration of effects with characters (the glowing effects, or forcefields, or cgi-extension of sets) work effortless, while the pure cgi-shots (starships, nebula, cityscapes) leave much to be desired.
How they portrayed Vulcan was gloriously! It included elements from TOS (the bells in the background), DS9 (Vulcans being kind of dicks sometimes), ENT (mostly visually, but also the extremists) and even the Kelvin movies, especially the interiour of the Vulcan ship was obviously influenced by ST09! Great job.
Also: The background aliens on the secret meeting place looked great. This was such a Star Trek-thing to have! All around, the universe felt a lot richer this episode, compared to the previous ones which took place almost exclusively in klingon or Federation interiours.
Nitpicks
The Plot
The plot was rather thin this week, this was a character episode. To be harsh: This was the 4th episode in a row with a "rescue mission under time pressure" (save the spore drive from the Glenn (ep3), save the colony (ep4), save Lorca (ep5) and save Sarek (ep6)). The other big thing happening was in the last few minutes of the episode, with female Admiral getting captured. Man, Starfleet SUCKS at war! You don't meet with the enemy on neutral ground without any kind of safeguarding.
Also: There are Vulcan fanatics and Vulcan racists. Which have surprisingly similar motives to the fanatic and racist klingons. Seems to be the topic of our time, isn't it?
The characters
The highlight of the episode. This episode delved a lot deeper into the Burnham-Sarek relationship. And I have to say: Frain is a way superiour Sarek compared to Ben Cross! He doesn't reach the hights of Mark Lenard. But he's good enough. I still don't know how I feel about Spock having a human adoptive sister. But they didn't make any major missteps, and if you look at it through the lense of exclusively this show, it really works.
The other major development is Lorca's fall from grace, and to see him slowly turning to the "dark side". I like that he is not the typical "surprise" bad guy that has been an evil schemer from the beginning, but that we are slowly witnessing his descent into madness. On the other hand, this makes the entire arc seem a bit like a random train of events, where everyone is just improvising on the spot, and nobody has a greater plan to work from. Which makes everything feel a bit more random, and more influencent by the writers than the characters on the show. Still, his acting was superb! He sleeps with a phaser in his bed. Bunks his superiours. And got abs!
Only a secondary development, but one I very much liked, was the Burnham-Tilly mentoring relationship! A nice mirror to the Burnham-Georgiou relationship from the pilot. The jogging-sequence was a very nice scene. Who's with me, the very final scene of the entire series (whenever that will be) is going to be Tilly with her own spaceship?
"Evil"/"Mirror" Stamets was way over top. We know the spore-drive affects him negatively. But he hammed it up to eleven, the whole place was left with his bitemarks from chewing the scenery so much! If you ever wanted to see the classic "mad scientist" in Star Trek: Here he is. I liked understated "snark"-Stamets a lot more. Saru kind of got the short end of the stick this episode, a few episodes in a row. I like Saru. But the writers need to do a bit more with him, soon, or he is at risk at becoming a one-trick-pony with his prey-stick.
Presentation
This was one of the best structured episodes so far, Joe Menosky knows his stuff! Every plot and relationship had a set-up, a natural development, and paid off in the hand in one way or the other. Despite there being (almost) no direct action this episode, it had the best momentum of any episodes thus far, seemlessly connecting the A- and the B-plot and the overarching storylines and themes to a whole.
The CGI for Vulcan looked very nice, but not on the same level as ENT. It seems the vfx-guys of this show are better at integration of effects with characters (the glowing effects, or forcefields, or cgi-extension of sets) work effortless, while the pure cgi-shots (starships, nebula, cityscapes) leave much to be desired.
How they portrayed Vulcan was gloriously! It included elements from TOS (the bells in the background), DS9 (Vulcans being kind of dicks sometimes), ENT (mostly visually, but also the extremists) and even the Kelvin movies, especially the interiour of the Vulcan ship was obviously influenced by ST09! Great job.
Also: The background aliens on the secret meeting place looked great. This was such a Star Trek-thing to have! All around, the universe felt a lot richer this episode, compared to the previous ones which took place almost exclusively in klingon or Federation interiours.
Nitpicks
- Vulcan has no moon, you fuckers!
- There was a holodeck in this episode. Ugh. They used it exactly how writers should use it - as a technical device, not a magic plot generator. But still. It was unambigously a holodeck. They interacted with the enviroment! Opened doors and such. Not just some illusion trainings room. DON'T. DO. THAT. IN. A. PREQUEL.
- So, nobody did a medical check-up for Ash Tyler/Voq before he was granted a position aboard the Federation's most important ship in the klingon war? After being a pow of the klingons? Holy hell do they suck at their job.
- So, Burnham and Tyler/Voq are going to romance each other? Well, THAT'S going to be interesting! He's a devout fanatic. She murdered his cult leader. He scalped and ate her motherly mentor figure. TOGETHER, they are unstoppable!
- Also: We know from the actors that they played it that Lorca was shagging his previous security offiver, Rekha Sharma's Landry. The way Lorca looked at Tyler in the training sequence, I was a little worried he was going to want to continue this tradition.
- The telepathic link Burnham-Sarek worked over many lightyears. That was something that was established in ENT.
- The Enterprise is mentioned. Yay!
- SOOO: The preview for the next episode. That is going to be a direct remake of TNG's "Cause and Effect", or what?
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