Voyager was on the air for seven seasons and was followed by Enterprise.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x04 - "The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry"
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Yes and both of them led the franchise to be fatigued by recycling plots from previous series because the writers were worn out creatively. Enterprise was sadly the death knell but voyager was a contributing factor.
Well I disagree with you. I would hardly call seven seasons a constributing factor to anything other than its success. There are those who also embraced Enterprise. That being said four depressing episodes of Discovery, in my opinion, hardly compares.
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Yeah it was Enterprise that really finished the franchise off, not Voyager.
I liked the actors but the story with the Xindi was just boring to me, don't get me wrong I appreciate how hard it must be to complete 22 episodes in each season and have them all feel different and fresh.
That's the problem with prequels, you end up being locked in by what has been shown to happen in the future.
There was just no excitement to it.
I was thinking of getting Enterprise and giving it a chance. I'm struggling with the dismal tone of Discovery. I give it this season and I believe it may get another.
I like Voyager, but when I look at it objectively i can see what a poor imitation of TNG it was and how much wasted potential the show had. There are parts of Enterprise I do like as well, but objectively i can also see the faults that caused it to kill the franchise. Just because I'm a fan of something doesn't mean I am going to be blindly devoted to it and not see anything wrong with it.
Just a thought mickmike how do you feel about Discovery recycling the Equinox plot from Voyager?
Commander Landry must be down there with the dumbest characters in Trek history. Getting bored of waiting for Burnham's analysis? No problem, just try to sedate a killing machine with impenetrable skin and open its cage BEFORE making sure it's... you know, visibly sedated.
Some intel on four of the bridge crew. Someone on NeoGAF either made this or copied it from elsewhere.
I bet she is a Section 31 agent, using her awkwardness as a cover.
I have it heard said that with the episode "Alliances" that the TPTB were sending a message. Experimentation was over. Status quo was in. Some date the rot in late Berman Trek to this episode. I have not watched "Alliances" in years, but I hear the speech given by Janeway at the end was atrocious.
I felt there were more slap dash edits in this episode than in the previous episodes. It was disconcerting. I am more attuned to these kind of edits than other people. For me, this type of editing is a point off.
What I do not get is why did the Klingons not help T'Kuvma's flagship sooner. For six months, they left a weapon of both high strategic and tactical value abandoned in the field. How stupid is this race? This would be equivalent to leaving a Gerald Ford-class aircraft carrier, one of the most advanced ships in the US Navy, stranded while the rest of the Amercan fleet goes off to war. This would never happen. What's worse - it now seems the Klingons had only two ships with cloaking technology. The other was sacrificed to make a point. I have heard it said recently that writers who write about war now for Hollywood, that many of them know next to nothing about war. This episode is a prime example of that. No nation at war would leave a ship this valuable abandoned in the field. It's lucky for them that the Federation never made an attempt at acquiring this ship.
I felt there were more slap dash edits in this episode than in the previous episodes. It was disconcerting. I am more attuned to these kind of edits than other people. For me, this type of editing is a point off.
What I do not get is why did the Klingons not help T'Kuvma's flagship sooner. For six months, they left a weapon of both high strategic and tactical value abandoned in the field. How stupid is this race? This would be equivalent to leaving a Gerald Ford-class aircraft carrier, one of the most advanced ships in the US Navy, stranded while the rest of the Amercan fleet goes off to war. This would never happen. What's worse - it now seems the Klingons had only two ships with cloaking technology. The other was sacrificed to make a point. I have heard it said recently that writers who write about war now for Hollywood, that many of them know next to nothing about war. This episode is a prime example of that. No nation at war would leave a ship this valuable abandoned in the field. It's lucky for them that the Federation never made an attempt at acquiring this ship.
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That's fair enough, I am liking Discovery since the 3rd episode, will watch the 4th later on tonight.
Its already more interesting than Enterprise was and for me more realistic.
She was going to cut off its claw (?). The poor thing was defending itself.
While I appreciate that there's some rationale behind the saucer being made up of rings, it's looks dumb as fuck.
Discovery is succumbing to a certain amount of Enterprise Syndrome – fine ideas, poor execution.
If you mean the spore drive, tardigrade thing I'm cool with it. I'm interested to see where they take it and what they can do with a plot line, that Voyager didn't explore as well as it could have. If they do a shit job I'll be critical of it. Plus it's been 16 years since voyager was on the air this a bit different than say the episode Ex post facto from Voyagers first season that was nearly a direct copy of TNG's A matter of perspective that aired 5 years before it.
Some intel on four of the bridge crew. Someone on NeoGAF either made this or copied it from elsewhere.
Hello, Lieutenant Milton Richter!
I think it borrows both the concept and even the characterisation of Ransom/Lorca. That being said it clearly fails to be universally used longterm given future Trek didn't use it.
Jason Isaacs is doing a far better job of portraying a possibly corrupt Captain than John Savage did as Ransom. I'm aware that it will probably fail, i'm intrigued to watch the events that cause it to fail. People still watched titanic even though they knew the boat sank.
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