Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x04 - "The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry"

[Antonovus]

So forget the warp drive. How about we power the ship with a giant monster that talks to mushrooms? I love it.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Gave it a 6.

Save the whales, toughen up the girls wuss out the boys, push social agendas on everyone and dare them to dislike it or comment on it.

You do realise that Star Trek has been 'pushing social agendas' as you call it since it's inception, right? First interracial kiss ever on tv between Kirk and Uhura for example, or did you have a problem with that as well? Whilst I'm assuming the 'save the whales' comment was about the tardigrade, you do know that there was an entire movie about saving whales, right? Heaven forbid you see a woman being tough and man showing emotion, because Star Trek has never ever done that before

 

[Amaris]

...
Also the concept of organic travel (spores galore) everywhere in the universe...
a bit too much like Aladdin's Lamp. I'll watch I dream of Jeannie reruns when I want
magic in place of sci fi.

Actually, spore travel is based on a real scientific concept: https://www.yahoo.com/news/apos-star-trek-apos-moves-222800182.html
While it's tenuous at best, it's right up there with warp drive, transporters, and everything other brand of pseudo-scientific handwavium.

Klingons hard to listen to and their lengthy speeches are subtitled to quickly to read AND
absorb the visuals of the scene. Better when you watch with a pause switch. And since I'm on a gripe
campaign... it was totally unbelievable that Burnham and Georgiou were the only two to board the Klingon ship to take T'Kuvma hostage.
Such stupidity gets one or both served up on a Klingon menu... and rightly so.

Shelby, Data, Crusher, Worf board a Borg ship to find Captain Picard.
Ship's highest ranking officers and department heads routinely beaming down to a hostile planet.

This is not new in Star Trek.

Save the whales, toughen up the girls wuss out the boys, push social agendas on everyone and dare them to dislike it or comment on it.
If it weren't for the graphics and production I would have given it a 3.
I'm done.

Social agendas? Oh well, your presence will be sorely missed.

 

[Nerys Myk]

-- Tilly, A CADET, steals a bunch of highly classified spores and takes them to Burnham. It all turned out fine, but that seemed like a pretty extreme action to just gloss over so quickly, especially from someone of her rank.

So it's Star Trek?

We can be better than that. That's the fundamental message of Star Trek. Or was.

The difference is now we don't have to "be better" in under an hour and start from 0 a week later.

How do you clean a holographic mirror?

Reboot.

In this case, the U.S.S Discovery feels strongly like the starships seen in "Mirror, Mirror", "Equinox 1 and 2", and even the villainized Voyager in "Living Witness." It's not populated by scientists but by soldiers who are more interested in wiping out the Klingons than discovery or exploration.

I think it's been said in more than one episode this is a ship of mostly scientists, doing science stuff. Very few of whom have been portrayed as wanting to wipe out anyone.

Kirk would have done the exact same thing as Burnham. Either that, or engage T'kuvma in a campy fight to the death complete with double handed judo chops to the shoulder blades and solar plexus.

Or kick the Klingon in the face and into a disintegrating planet.

That argument fails with The Undiscovered Country.

They're Space Fascists, not Orcs.

Eating people feels like the Federation version of blood libel.

I specifically said TNG. TUC was a nice return to the TOS types, which was pretty much ignored in TNG+

In any case, I feel like the writers are writing about an entirely different species than the Klingons. We get mention of the Great Houses and their complicated politics but they've really made them DUMB.

As I said, they've been dumb since TNG got a hold of them.

 

[DigificWriter]

Again, you're the same species if you can produce viable offspring.

That's not how it works.

 

[Fateor]

So how exactly did the crew get off the Shenzen?

Because I can't think of a way that would have left both the Shenzen and Klingon ship intact...

 

[Nerys Myk]

So how exactly did the crew get off the Shenzen?

Because I can't think of a way that would have left both the Shenzen and Klingon ship intact...

Escape pods?

 

[Fateor]

Escape pods?

They would have scuttled the ship if they had left in escape pods so the Klingons couldn't recover any tactical information from the vessels databases and technology.

 

[Tribble puncher]

It was just "Meh", I actually thought last weeks ep was better. I still like Lorca and Saru, The SFX were great, (Am I the only one who hated that part of the Discovery's saucer spins around as part of the "Spore Drive"? It makes the ship look like a toy. I get the feeling that Burnham is going to free the creature within the next couple of episodes, I'm guessing from what I heard (I missed some of the dialog) the creature (or "Ripper") was just flying around through space like that buffalo thing on Avatar: The Last Airbender, and got onto the Glenn? there are just so many things that don't make sense that this Ep. introduced. Also, I'm not too sure about next week either, looks like Harry Mudd is gonna be reimagined as Jared Leto's Joker.

 

[Slugboy]

They would have scuttled the ship if they had left in escape pods so the Klingons couldn't recover any tactical information from the vessels databases and technology.

The scene immediately before the trial scene at the end of Episode 2 shows the escape pods leaving the U.S.S. Shenzhou. So there is on-screen proof that they left in escape pods.

 

[Nerys Myk]

They would have scuttled the ship if they had left in escape pods so the Klingons couldn't recover any tactical information from the vessels databases and technology.

Maybe. Depends on the time frame. Was there any "tactical" information found? All Voq seemed to be after was technology and not of the IT variety. Shenzhou was an old ship. I doubt it contained much of value in the tactical area.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

The story of a decent Klingon guy trying to bring the fight to the terrible people serving in the Federation.

 

[Fateor]

Maybe. Depends on the time frame. Was there any "tactical" information found? All Voq seemed to be after was technology and not of the IT variety. Shenzhou was an old ship. I doubt it contained much of value in the tactical area.

Unless you have perfect information on the enemy you have no idea what might given them a tactical advantage.

Hence they would have scuttled the ship.

Of course this is the same show where a security chief just killed herself by refusing to turn her head six inches check and the biosign monitor to see if the creature was actually asleep.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Unless you have perfect information on the enemy you have no idea what might given them a tactical advantage.

Hence they would have scuttled the ship.

Like Picard did with the Stargazer?

 

[Amaris]

Unless you have perfect information on the enemy you have no idea what might given them a tactical advantage.

Hence they would have scuttled the ship.

Of course this is the same show where a security chief just killed herself by refusing to turn her head six inches and check and the biosign monitor to see if the creature was actually asleep.

Set in the same universe where, 10 years later, Captains and First Officers routinely beamed down to hostile planets, and where red shirts were almost always murdered before the opening credits. Your point?

 

[Apparition B5]

I give the episode a seven. It would have been a nine, but the suicide of Commander Landry was really stupid.

 

[Charles Phipps]

You do realise that Star Trek has been 'pushing social agendas' as you call it since it's inception, right? First interracial kiss ever on tv between Kirk and Uhura for example, or did you have a problem with that as well? Whilst I'm assuming the 'save the whales' comment was about the tardigrade, you do know that there was an entire movie about saving whales, right? Heaven forbid you see a woman being tough and man showing emotion, because Star Trek has never ever done that before

Right Wing Star Trek fans doesn't make much sense to me. It's like saying liberal Infowars fan.

 

[MvRojo]

I thought it was a bit strange for Discovery to pop in, destroy the attacking Klingons and then pop out without offering any medical assistance to the survivors. We even got a "Who was that masked man?" vibe from one of the surviving children.

I guess they figured the ship(s) that were 84 hours away at the beginning could render aid, and since the Discovery is probably top secret, it was probably better to not let anyone else know about it.

 

[Charles Phipps]

I guess they figured the ship(s) that were 84 hours away at the beginning could render aid, and since the Discovery is probably top secret, it was probably better to not let anyone else know about it.

I think it's because Lorca is approaching crazytown levels of militarism.

 

[mattman8907]

am i the only one who thought the Bird of preys look like the Death gliders from Stargate SG-1?