Ooh! Good catch!This is pretty close to Starbase 11. Even has the construction things on the left side.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x03 - "Context is for Kings"
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I was happy to see a call back to the animated series! In "Once Upon a Planet". When Kirk was surprised that Spock had read "Alice In Wonderland" Spock says his mother was particularly fond of Lewis Carroll's work. Now I just imagine her reading to both of them with Michael excited by the adventure and Spock's complaints of "None of this is Logical, Mother!"
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Agreed. I was bummed out when he went down during the war.
Excellent catch! Always glad when TAS gets some respect.
We didn't get to see the Kzinti since Enterprise didn't get another season. Maybe we'll finally get to see them again in DSC.
Thanks! No, Jorne is his name, but he does share the OR sound with Lorca!
Captain: "Ahead, Shroomfactor 7, Engage!"
Helmsman: "You don't have to tell me twice....woohoo!"
Ah! I wasn't the only one
Guardian of Forever planet?A few quick caps of when Princess Toadstool was in 'Quantum Sporestream':
^ Unidentified planet with cool ruins
Planet from "The Paradise Syndrome"
^ Unidentified planet with Preserver monolith
Yep.
^ Possibly Janus VI mining colony
And the other one is Starbase 11 from "The Menagerie".
I was happy to see a call back to the animated series! In "Once Upon a Planet". When Kirk was surprised that Spock had read "Alice In Wonderland" Spock says his mother was particularly fond of Lewis Carroll's work. Now I just imagine her reading to both of them with Michael excited by the adventure and Spock's complaints of "None of this is Logical, Mother!"
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Well, now we know they're reaching back into all things Trek. It's an okay level of referencing right now. I just hope it doesn't get to be ALL referential.
Maybe it's space art.
That was an exceptionally well-written and executed scene. I think that was one of my own personal turning points for my opinion on the show. I was a bit on the fence for the two-parter, but this one nailed it.Saru: She is the smartest person I know
Lorca (to Stamets): and he knows you
Go ask Alice...
Haven't you seen any legitimate highway construction lately?? 10 years is nothing!
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I am writing this as I watch so here goes.
Wish they hadn't recapped the previous two episodes, was bad enough the first time.
Strange that there seems to be the understanding that Burnham started the war which we all know is rubbish after T'Kuvmas actions, it was such an obvious setup in hindsight.
Loving the Discovery's entrance, very timely indeed, wouldn't surprise me if the pilot was saved by the Discovery to be honest, also like the new shuttle designs as well, they look much longer than TOS shuttles but not as big as the ones in the new films.
That's a big shuttle bay for a ship that is supposedly in the same size range as the TOS Constitution class, especially when the size of the shuttles is considered, panning shot from Shuttlebay to saucer also gives good idea of scale, looks to me to be about 300m long or so but with fewer decks and a flatter profile, others are far better at measuring that sort of thing than me, would be interesting to know for sure.
I really do love the design, I cant really find any faults with it, the saucer looks great as well with the cutouts to allow for more windows, with a clear view of both the upper and underside of the saucer if required from the bridge.
Oh my word those black insignias, heavy science presence and black insignias on the security personnel, I am definitely feeling a Section 31 vibe but it could just be that its heightened security due to the war, for the best effect play Darth Vaders Imperial March theme while the shuttlebay and walk to the cafeteria seen is showing, I did and it was gooood.
Its ok Burnham don't panic Saru isn't the Captain, I would have recoiled in horror myself.
Oh it was no accident that you ended up on the Discovery my dear Burnham, that should be obvious by now it was all engineered to appear like a freak accident, Lorca is making like its all an accident and no big deal but its clear he must have pulled serious strings to get her there.
Tilly is awesome and Burnham doesnt realise her luck, she should be able to get information out of her, which then leads to the black alert.
For the love of god they made Saru first officer, just give me a minute to compose myself.
I like Stamets he is a no nonsense kind of guy same with the Security Commander.
Various things happen off the ship I wont comment on here as you all have seen it.
It seems Starfleet gave Lorca permission to fight however he saw fit, perhaps another hint at Section 31, they are not necessarily all about killing, they do all the secret clandestine tasks Starfleet cannot or will not do due to treaties etc.
Lorca himself admits that it was not Burnhams fault and acknowledges that she tried to do the right thing over what was permitted, Burnham and Lorca are going to be great in this show.
Love the bit near the end with Saru, he senses what has happened with Burnham staying.
Hyped to see that he nabbed the creature as well, could it perhaps be a type of antibody that lives inside the shroom network and was never meant to leave it, if so it may be the key to achieving their goals.
The Universe does indeed hate waste and Context is always for Kings.
This would have been an ideal pilot for the series, the two first episodes could have been shown in flashback.
More please CBS.
Wish they hadn't recapped the previous two episodes, was bad enough the first time.
Strange that there seems to be the understanding that Burnham started the war which we all know is rubbish after T'Kuvmas actions, it was such an obvious setup in hindsight.
Loving the Discovery's entrance, very timely indeed, wouldn't surprise me if the pilot was saved by the Discovery to be honest, also like the new shuttle designs as well, they look much longer than TOS shuttles but not as big as the ones in the new films.
That's a big shuttle bay for a ship that is supposedly in the same size range as the TOS Constitution class, especially when the size of the shuttles is considered, panning shot from Shuttlebay to saucer also gives good idea of scale, looks to me to be about 300m long or so but with fewer decks and a flatter profile, others are far better at measuring that sort of thing than me, would be interesting to know for sure.
I really do love the design, I cant really find any faults with it, the saucer looks great as well with the cutouts to allow for more windows, with a clear view of both the upper and underside of the saucer if required from the bridge.
Oh my word those black insignias, heavy science presence and black insignias on the security personnel, I am definitely feeling a Section 31 vibe but it could just be that its heightened security due to the war, for the best effect play Darth Vaders Imperial March theme while the shuttlebay and walk to the cafeteria seen is showing, I did and it was gooood.
Its ok Burnham don't panic Saru isn't the Captain, I would have recoiled in horror myself.
Oh it was no accident that you ended up on the Discovery my dear Burnham, that should be obvious by now it was all engineered to appear like a freak accident, Lorca is making like its all an accident and no big deal but its clear he must have pulled serious strings to get her there.
Tilly is awesome and Burnham doesnt realise her luck, she should be able to get information out of her, which then leads to the black alert.
For the love of god they made Saru first officer, just give me a minute to compose myself.
I like Stamets he is a no nonsense kind of guy same with the Security Commander.
Various things happen off the ship I wont comment on here as you all have seen it.
It seems Starfleet gave Lorca permission to fight however he saw fit, perhaps another hint at Section 31, they are not necessarily all about killing, they do all the secret clandestine tasks Starfleet cannot or will not do due to treaties etc.
Lorca himself admits that it was not Burnhams fault and acknowledges that she tried to do the right thing over what was permitted, Burnham and Lorca are going to be great in this show.
Love the bit near the end with Saru, he senses what has happened with Burnham staying.
Hyped to see that he nabbed the creature as well, could it perhaps be a type of antibody that lives inside the shroom network and was never meant to leave it, if so it may be the key to achieving their goals.
The Universe does indeed hate waste and Context is always for Kings.
This would have been an ideal pilot for the series, the two first episodes could have been shown in flashback.
More please CBS.
I thought this was a big improvement over the two-party pilot, and I'm not surprised to see that's a pretty widespread opinion here. (Although, obviously, not universal.)
The story was better, in terms of both plotting and pacing (just the absence of the glacial Klingon scenes was a big improvement, all by itself). It's good to see that the war looks to be more of a backdrop for the season, rather than the central focus of every episode. It's also reassuring to see that the scale of the war isn't huge — more of a brushfire thing, with only 8,000 dead in the first six months — enough to be a concern to those near the front lines, obviously, but not the kind of major interstellar conflict that would be an implausible fit for the recent history of TOS and its cold-war vibe with the Klingons.
The characters were better, too. Now that we're being introduced to actual series regulars, as opposed to the one-offs last week, most of them seem pretty well realized. They've got their own personalities, histories, and points of view, and we're already learning interesting things about them. I find myself genuinely wanting to see more of Tilly, Stamets, and Lorca, in addition to Saru. Meanwhile Michael still holds center stage, and while she's obviously suffering from some degree of PTSD, still her performance in the boarding party (not "away team"! so glad the show got it right!) on the Glenn, and her overall analysis of the Discovery's mission, effectively showed how she's very good at what she does.
I thought the visuals, in particular, showed a huge improvement over last week. The changes in lighting and cinematography made the show literally easier to watch. I also found myself genuinely liking the design of the DSC; far more than the Shenzou, I can see it as something belong to the same design lineage as the Enterprise and other TOS-era ships, albeit filtered through modern production values. The mess hall, cabin, bridge, and especially the engine room just looked right.
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Similarly, I thought the DSC bridge (and really the whole ship, inside and out) felt much closer to the design aesthetics of the original series than anything we saw last week. And even the uniforms... while I didn't much care for them last week, this week, under somewhat different lighting, I found myself warming up to them.
And yeah, it's refreshing that the show has thus far not indulged in any blatant eye-candy (unlike, say, ENT and its "decontamination chamber"...)
As for STD, it is literally darker than TOS (or TNG), just in terms of its color palette and lighting (and I think there's room to moderate that), but tonally I think the show is looking to strike the same sort of balance. It's just coming at it from the other side thus far, working its way back from the brink... and we need to remember that each episode we're seeing is just a chapter in a larger story arc, and it's still early going. After this week, I'm cautiously optimistic.
And when later in the episode she said "I'm going to be a starship captain someday," whereas in the mouths of most characters a line like that would make me cringe or expect the characters to be dead meat by story's end, in her case I get the impression she can actually pull it off!...
The story was better, in terms of both plotting and pacing (just the absence of the glacial Klingon scenes was a big improvement, all by itself). It's good to see that the war looks to be more of a backdrop for the season, rather than the central focus of every episode. It's also reassuring to see that the scale of the war isn't huge — more of a brushfire thing, with only 8,000 dead in the first six months — enough to be a concern to those near the front lines, obviously, but not the kind of major interstellar conflict that would be an implausible fit for the recent history of TOS and its cold-war vibe with the Klingons.
The characters were better, too. Now that we're being introduced to actual series regulars, as opposed to the one-offs last week, most of them seem pretty well realized. They've got their own personalities, histories, and points of view, and we're already learning interesting things about them. I find myself genuinely wanting to see more of Tilly, Stamets, and Lorca, in addition to Saru. Meanwhile Michael still holds center stage, and while she's obviously suffering from some degree of PTSD, still her performance in the boarding party (not "away team"! so glad the show got it right!) on the Glenn, and her overall analysis of the Discovery's mission, effectively showed how she's very good at what she does.
I thought the visuals, in particular, showed a huge improvement over last week. The changes in lighting and cinematography made the show literally easier to watch. I also found myself genuinely liking the design of the DSC; far more than the Shenzou, I can see it as something belong to the same design lineage as the Enterprise and other TOS-era ships, albeit filtered through modern production values. The mess hall, cabin, bridge, and especially the engine room just looked right.
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Interesting how divergent people's reactions are to the sets, props, and visuals. Personally I winced at the holo-communicators, but practically did a fist-pump when I saw Jefferies Tubes this week. I like the stuff that actually evokes the original series, and doesn't give that vibe of "reboot" that so many people are picking up on.
Similarly, I thought the DSC bridge (and really the whole ship, inside and out) felt much closer to the design aesthetics of the original series than anything we saw last week. And even the uniforms... while I didn't much care for them last week, this week, under somewhat different lighting, I found myself warming up to them.
I think that anyone who didn't find Tilly instantly endearing is somehow who has never experienced social anxiety of their own. (People like that worry me a bit.)
And yeah, it's refreshing that the show has thus far not indulged in any blatant eye-candy (unlike, say, ENT and its "decontamination chamber"...)
I enjoyed BSG (until the final season), but I always viewed it as more of an allegory than the sort of SF meant to be taken straight. I can see a few thematic similarities here, but I think you may be exaggerating the contrast between STD and past versions of Trek. I don't think of even TOS as being all that "lighthearted" (notwithstanding the then-standard convention of the forced joke in most episodes' closing scene)... in fact, while it did depict an optimistic future overall, from the very beginning I'd say some of its best and most memorable episodes explored the darker side of that future, the kind of internal conflicts humanity was still struggling to overcome. I'm thinking about things like "The Man Trap," "Balance of Terror," "Conscience of the King," "Devil in the Dark," "COTEOF"... and that's just in the first season.
As for STD, it is literally darker than TOS (or TNG), just in terms of its color palette and lighting (and I think there's room to moderate that), but tonally I think the show is looking to strike the same sort of balance. It's just coming at it from the other side thus far, working its way back from the brink... and we need to remember that each episode we're seeing is just a chapter in a larger story arc, and it's still early going. After this week, I'm cautiously optimistic.
It puzzles me when I see comments like this. I don't doubt you're sincere, I just honestly don't see the cause for complaint. Maybe I'm not a connoisseur of such things, but what I watched seemed to me the equal of any CGI effects work I've seen on TV, and far better than some. You want "cheap"-looking effects, go watch some BTVS reruns from 20 years ago!... ;-)
Hear, hear. The moment she walked into her quarters, turned up the lights, and started talking, the whole tone of the episode (and possibly the entire series) changed for the better. She immediately became the most relatable character on the show.
And when later in the episode she said "I'm going to be a starship captain someday," whereas in the mouths of most characters a line like that would make me cringe or expect the characters to be dead meat by story's end, in her case I get the impression she can actually pull it off!...
You must have seen something I missed. What did Stamets do or say that would qualify as "gross insubordination"? He did share a difference of opinion with his captain, but there's nothing unusual about that.
I'm baffled why so many people seem to be reading this subtext into Stamets. Nothing he said or did in this episode evoked that stereotype to me; he seemed like a perfectly reasonable, plausible, interesting character with his own sincerely held motivations. I've mostly avoided spoilers; is there information that the character is later revealed to be gay? Are people just reading it in because of the actor, and his history playing such characters (e.g., in Rent)?
I'm inclined to agree, based on first impressions, and I hope you're right in the long term. A lot of people seem to be trying to shoehorn Lorca into a set of expectations based on familiar TV tropes (in and out of Trek), but it seems to me like the show is trying to do something a little more complicated and nuanced with the character. Certainly Isaacs isn't playing him as one-note; he's bringing a lot of depth to the character, and easily owns most of the scenes he's in.
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Go on my son flog that dead horse raw!
I've been here since (IIRC) 1999, maybe 98. Certainly close to the beginning (prior to the infamous database crash of 2000). This is my visual interpretation of how things tend to roll when it comes to differing opinions within the denizens of the BBS:
It is as diverse as the world in which we live!
Just because society overall is "enlightened" doesn't mean that you will EVER eliminate individuals who are assholes within that society.
That has never been portrayed in Star Trek, either
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