The actor playing the Captain of the Discovery, is a good actor, for certain roles, non of his skills are really to be a nice guy. Always kinda tough guy roles. For me, he is absolutely the wrong choice, for a Star Fleet Captain I would like to watch long-term. As a guest role, sure, why not. Even play some sorta crazy guy, he could do that great, but a role that make you wanna like him (which I think is the essential idea behind Star Trek acting), that the Captains are likable persons. He is not.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x03 - "Context is for Kings"
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Do you watch the show? Starfleet Command has been run by imbeciles for decades.
I like him. I like everything about him. A devious Slytherin captain who thinks rules are for the sheep (who aren’t in Section 31, probably) with a Tribble, a Gorn skeleton, a monster alien cat and a bowl full of fortune cookies. I think he is genuinely fascinated by the exploration potential of the spore engine and uses it to reach Burnham, even if that isn’t anywhere near his whole story.
Cant have witnesses to such a unique and secret ship.
Just so happens there is a handy war going on so their names can be added to the list of casualties.
They sent the other prisoners on their way on another shuttle, so no.
So what?
One thing I'm dubious of is the idea that black-arrowheads = section 31.
I think I really like the series, but S31 I've always found utterly stupid, as well as insulting. We don't need leather-tuniced baddies twirling their mustaches because they're the "adults" while everyone else in the franchise are pie-in-the-sky dreamers. Fuck the gestapo, and, people, we already have Starfleet Intelligence. Just because they're not secretly committing genocide because of their INCOMPETENCE to keep the peace otherwise does not mean they're not thorough and effective.
S31 are an underground society of thugs who only survived by keeping their cabal SECRET. That means no flashy insignias broadcasting their existence to countless random crew and visiting felons.
I think I really like the series, but S31 I've always found utterly stupid, as well as insulting. We don't need leather-tuniced baddies twirling their mustaches because they're the "adults" while everyone else in the franchise are pie-in-the-sky dreamers. Fuck the gestapo, and, people, we already have Starfleet Intelligence. Just because they're not secretly committing genocide because of their INCOMPETENCE to keep the peace otherwise does not mean they're not thorough and effective.
S31 are an underground society of thugs who only survived by keeping their cabal SECRET. That means no flashy insignias broadcasting their existence to countless random crew and visiting felons.
I think with a little more thought people could simply say "this series doesn't include many of the elements I've enjoyed in previous Star Trek productions," if that's what they feel.
Well yeah, these kind of conspiracies are dull first because they've long since become lazy cliches in popular storytelling, and second because they're insidiously dishonest. They flatter the audience's cynicism while ignoring truths about our time that matter a great deal more. Folks, look at the real world for just a couple of moments: the very worst things that governments do in pursuit of their agendas they do right out in the fucking open now.
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Star Trek - Discovery, if it keeps the darker tone that is building up right now, will share the same fate like Stargate Universe. The idea wasn't bad, but the whole dark theme was too dark, and not what people were used / wanted to see with that franchise. Star Trek simply isn't meant to go dark.
What Battlestar did, with the re-imagined series, made it even cooler and also somewhat dark, which was not what the original was made like, but it least it was cool. There was an insane amount of complexity. Star Trek can never reach that, and shouldn't even try.
What Battlestar did, with the re-imagined series, made it even cooler and also somewhat dark, which was not what the original was made like, but it least it was cool. There was an insane amount of complexity. Star Trek can never reach that, and shouldn't even try.
If Star Fleet loses a ship with all hands to a mistake, during a first contact, the new ##ckers who did the shooting, will have to spend the next two centuries apologizing, unless they are massive a-holes.
Lorca accepted it was an ambush, so it was probably the general consumption too... Although? Why does anyone think Burnham's mutiny started the war? Every thing she did to start the war, which was more than enough, was while she was a good officer.
At the start of the episode, did they mention that the shuttle was on it's way to Tellar?
I don't think so. Star Trek is a much bigger brand. People will follow it.
I know, I should be glad that we Europeans are getting the new episodes faster than ever before, but it would be so much more fun if we'd be able to watch them simultaneously and join in on the discussion rather than have to sift through pages and pages of comments. Oh well …
Really liked “Context is for Kings” and gave it a rating of 9 out of 10. It really feels like the actual story of Discovery has finally begun. It reveals a great deal of new plot threads while still retaining a lot of mystery. It's a lot to digest and it goes by rather quickly. I think I'll have to rewatch the episode to really parse it all.
Lorca is an interesting character. But it's hard to tell what exactly he's up to and if his methods are questionable or not. From what he says here it really looks like it will be a story of “Do the ends justify the means?” and if it's wise to stick to Federation principles if you have to win a war. Looking forward if that's what the first season is about thematically.
Personally I'm kind of sick of the “That's not Star Trek!” complaints, when most Trekkies could never agree on what exactly Star Trek actually is. For me it's just another facet in the varied Star Trek tapestry. It brings new elements and retains some of the old staples. So what, it's somewhat darker and somewhat more serious. I don't see that as bad in and of itself.
That was just a visual shorthand for “time that has passed”. They didn't literally fade away, it was just an effect for us viewers.Yes, I noticed that as well. Really appreciate the somewhat more conservative camera work. Although they are still going a bit overboard (in every sense of the word actually) with the long CGI panning shots going from inside the ship to the outside (or vice versa).
That's not how I understood it. My reading of it was that the alien creature was brought aboard from elsewhere in the universe when they were experimenting with the “new way to fly”.
IIRC, didn't they say it's “like” a second pilot, not that it's literally the actual pilot?
Coppershirt.
Maybe I'm getting you wrong, but the bridge sets of the Shenzhou and the Discovery are actually two distinct sets, not two configurations of the same set.
Interesting idea. I could see how that could have been the case.
Yeah, that was wonderful!
Many people seem to feel that way, it appears. But I think it's actually a little more interesting to tell the story somewhat more straight forward. Constant flashbacks to reveal important story points have become kind of an overused cliché. And I'm sure many fans would be up in arms over how Discovery is mimicking that trope from other shows.
It's really a no win scenario for the writers. They just can't do right for everyone.
I don't see how the episode confirmed any of that.That's not what I got from the episode and I would be disappointed if that's how they are going to handle the issue from now on.
I agree, she's fantastic! She just owns the role and she's going flawlessly from stone-cold aggressive to teary-eyed emotional. It strikes me as a very convincing performance of a real human being.
Yes, Tilly is awesome. She really does remind me of Barcley who I often felt was the most human character on The Next Generation.
It's a shame they don't put up the preview for the next episode on Netflix. Is it up on YouTube yet?
BTW, did anyone notice that in the scene where they approach the USS Glenn they call the shuttle the “Disco 1”?
in fact Sloan said that section 31 protected the federation in many ocations, it would not be wrong to see one of those times also I want to know more of them, they are part of the fleet since before the federation existed
DS9 is my favorite Trek series, I'm currently doing my third round of rewatching the series. Discovery is not DS9.
I agree!
It's a shame they don't put up the preview for the next episode on Netflix. Is it up on YouTube yet?
BTW, did anyone notice that in the scene where they approach the USS Glenn they call the shuttle the “Disco 1”?
Here is the preview for next week
Preview episode 4
Shit. I'm in The Matrix.
Also a distinct possibility.
They did indeed, though the number of writers and "story by" credits on this one (and the first two episodes) makes me wonder if we were actually supposed to open with Burnham on that shuttle, being rescued by Discovery, and meeting Captain Lorca before flashing back to the Shenzhou and seeing the battle. Possibly told in parts as a story to Tilly. Essentially, that parts of the first three episodes were the original first and second episode written by Bryan Fuller, and then rewritten and rearranged by the writing staff into a prologue and "second pilot" instead of having numerous flashbacks.
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