Do yourself a favor and look up the definition of the word "reboot" before you start throwing it around.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x01 - "The Vulcan Hello"
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Do yourself a favor and look up the definition of the word "reboot" before you start throwing it around.
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Jesus Christ, man. Relax.
Misuse of the term "reboot" is my single biggest online pet peeve.
I'm starting to think that there is no Spock.
Which means that time diverged, in a way, at a point, that Amanda and Sarek never met, or never had a baby of their own.
Which means that time diverged, in a way, at a point, that Amanda and Sarek never met, or never had a baby of their own.
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If that is so, consider yourself blessed. Just, you know, damn.
Anyway, @Timewalker, it does seem more of a visual reboot, but the universe is definitely prime universe, and I think that will become more clear as the series unfolds. Right now, we have the word of the showrunners that it most definitely is prime universe.
Considering you've just received an infraction for your hostile attitude in this forum, I would consider doing yourself a favour and either toning it down or walking away before you trigger a ban.
Maybe this is the "Yesteryear" timeline in which Spock was killed by the le-matya during his Kahs-wan dry run, and Kirk's Science Officer is the Andorian guy (I forget his name - Thelev? Thelin?).
Sorry, I don't buy it. It's really bothersome to me that Sarek is so close to Michael - even after she joins an organization he disapproves of - but won't speak to Spock for 18 years.
Is it really that Spock didn't go to the Vulcan Science Academy that bothers him, or is he really that massively a hypocrite?
And the showrunners can spin this any way they want to, but it is absolutely impossible for me to believe that those nu-nuKlingons are some day going to include Kor, Kang, Koloth, Korax, Worf, B'Elanna Torres, and baby Miral. And good luck making one of them up to look like Arne Darvin.
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That would be the visual reboot, yes. A visual reboot makes perfect sense, and is eminently reasonable given the fact that the original series aired more than 50 years ago.
As for Sarek, there are plenty of people who say they're okay with someone going into the Marines, but throw a fit if their own child decides to do so. There are people out there who are excellent with other children, and have issues with their own. Parents aren't perfect.
Devil's advocate: Burnham is a human female. Vulcans are notoriously smug and self-righteous in their attitudes towards humans and other species, even 100 years after the political unrest on Vulcan and the restoration of the teachings of the Kir'shara. Burnham is his ward and under his care, but as a human is not granted the same treatment as a Vulcan child would be. Vulcan children are expected to follow the path set out by Surak during the Awakening and those who steer away from that path to pursue a career in an organization that is heavily influenced if not dominated by Terrans would be seen as breaking an ethical and intellectual code going back generations. Sarek wanted Spock to attend the Vulcan Science Academy. He refused. Thus a rift was born because Sarek had such strict and lofty demands for a son who was already laboring under the pressures of being half-human. Sarek was profoundly disappointed in Spock's choice, whereas Michael - a human child who at best was given Vulcan training in the sciences and philosophy - was not held to the same high standards.
Sarek didn't like Starfleet either way. But with Spock it was a personal blow that struck deep within his stubborn sense of Vulcan pride and tradition. Burnham was granted more freedom because she was an offworlder raised under special circumstances and thus not seen nor judged through the same lens.
Sarek didn't like Starfleet either way. But with Spock it was a personal blow that struck deep within his stubborn sense of Vulcan pride and tradition. Burnham was granted more freedom because she was an offworlder raised under special circumstances and thus not seen nor judged through the same lens.
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Agreed. I've long felt that Sarek wanted Spock to follow in his footsteps. There are fathers out there who expect their progeny to follow after them, to continue the family tradition. Sarek definitely appears to be one of those parents who feels that way. I don't fault him for wanting Spock to excel, of course he would, but I think Sarek was afraid Spock would excel at the wrong things, and deep down it scared him. So he rejected Spock out of fear, and his rejection of tradition, of family heritage.
Michael wanted a human life but guided and enhanced by the best teachings that Vulcan philosophy had to offer. Sarek in good conscience couldn't stand in the way of her desires. She was not his child, only his responsibility until the time came to let her pursue a career of her own choosing. She was human. An Earthling and thus not beholden to the same traditions and expectations that Vulcans or even half-Vulcans would be. Sarek simply had to raise her to be strong enough to leave the makeshift nest he constructed for her after the Klingon massacre that left her an orphan, and after that her career decisions would be hers and hers alone. Sarek supported her choices because of the circumstances of their relationship, and because her path in life posed no threat to his ego.
On a completely different note, was I the only one who noticed that one of the Klingons was named 'Rejac' (pronounced just like in the jack the ripper episode)?
It's almost certainly nothing more than an easter egg, but it really threw me for a loop there for a second.
It's almost certainly nothing more than an easter egg, but it really threw me for a loop there for a second.
If Spock exists, then then he is following in his sisters footsteps.
I noticed that, too. Slightly different spelling (the Jack the Ripper entity was spelled "Redjac") but the reference was pretty clear. It seemed to be tossed in there to make old school fans smile.
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Agreed. She was family, but she was not of the family. Plus, considering what Sybok ended up doing, Sarek was probably mortified that his bright, logical, rational, reasonable son also wanted to run away from home, to enlist with others and perhaps embrace their emotionalism as well. I think that made it worse.
Liked this episode, liked the chemistry between Burnham and the captain. There was a sense of exploration, a bit of banter.
Would have loved to see different enemies than the Klingons which were done and redone to death IMO. Ties in with the different makeup and the discussion-sequences in Klingon which are simply boring. As I said, perhaps that would have worked better for a so far unknown species. But I guess they used all the tie-ins they could get.
As for Sarek... I have loved Sarek from the first moment in Journey to Babel. And I could see him take in a human child... then again, why? They are not that dissimilar in age so Spock must have met her on Vulcan. So why was she never mentionned before (or rather why does she have to be Sarek's ward?)?
Would have loved to see different enemies than the Klingons which were done and redone to death IMO. Ties in with the different makeup and the discussion-sequences in Klingon which are simply boring. As I said, perhaps that would have worked better for a so far unknown species. But I guess they used all the tie-ins they could get.
As for Sarek... I have loved Sarek from the first moment in Journey to Babel. And I could see him take in a human child... then again, why? They are not that dissimilar in age so Spock must have met her on Vulcan. So why was she never mentionned before (or rather why does she have to be Sarek's ward?)?
And perhaps Sarek had a point. Within five years of enlisting in Starfleet Spock was already smiling and shouting about THE WOMEN!!!
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Yep. I also think Sarek was over-protective because Spock was half human, and even though Sarek loved his wife dearly, being half human was a weakness. If a full blooded Vulcan like Sybok could be swayed, Spock didn't have a chance. At least, that may be what Sarek thought. I do believe, without a doubt, Sarek loved Spock, but he was so stubborn, so fearful of what Spock might become, that it shoved them apart instead of pulled them together. Sad, really. Very sad.
The failure with Sybok must have haunted Sarek for the rest of his life. Imagine. Your firstborn child (at least the first child we know of in canon) is born to a Federation ambassador and diplomat and a Vulcan princess with high standing in their society. That child eventually rejects what Sarek, his mother and possibly Amanda tried to teach him and embraces a life not only of emotion and passion but of religious zealotry, being so fanatical in his beliefs about the source of all creation that he is banished from Vulcan, never to return. That had to deeply wound and impact not only Sarek but his entire family, and helps explain why Spock never mentioned his half-brother for the first 22 years he knows Kirk and his other friends aboard the Enterprise. The outcast sibling who basically turned into a religious crackpot and shunned everything he was ever taught regarding logic and self-discipline. That's not something to brag about and shout from the rafters in any family I'm aware of, alien or otherwise.
They said shields, right?
They're not still polarizing the hull plating... Which might be what shields are, so never mind.
Enterprise 1701 always looked like it was made from ceramic to me, even though I know it's tritanium.
They're not still polarizing the hull plating... Which might be what shields are, so never mind.
Enterprise 1701 always looked like it was made from ceramic to me, even though I know it's tritanium.
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