But your sensors should still pick up things like space dust. There would be a total absence of anything with a cloak that scattered the beam.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x01 - "The Vulcan Hello"
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But your sensors should still pick up things like space dust. There would be a total absence of anything with a cloak that scattered the beam.
My reality. Yes, seriously. So what?
I don't mean to jump on top of your discussion, but I can think of a number of ways to get around this:
1) as another poster said, the cloak could generate false sensor returns that emulate average "empty" space at that location and direct them back toward the source of incoming sensor beams
2) in the vastness of the volume that a ship's sensors sweep out (literally in the range of 4200 cubic lightyears), a patch of space the volume of a vessel gives no return? there are likely immense volumes of space that don't give solid returns based on a number of issues: mechanical/electrical issues with the sensor equipment, scattering from other masses in space, scattering from unusual spatial phenomena, local subspace events, signal to noise ratio for sensors, sensor resolution limits, general background subspace interference, and on and on.
Good point. Maybe the cloaking device is more sophisticated and simulates dust, etc?
Mine too! Of the Berman era Treks, DS9 is the best!My reality. Yes, seriously. So what?
Deep Space Nine and Voyager flip-flop for last place in my rankings. Depending on my mood. I feel neither really add anything overall to the Trek tapestry.
Fair enough and I respect that. Different strokes for different folks and all that...
I'm just kind of mystified by the extreme incredulity of the other poster, however - as if it were patently impossible how anyone could ever conceivably like DS9.
Don't get me wrong, I think both shows hit it out of the park on occasion. They just weren't consistently entertaining. Plus, both being on the fringes doing their own things separate from each other and TNG made them feel out of the loop.
Different strokes!
I agree they should have written it differently or had Shatner perform it in a way that telegraphed he just didn't want to argue the point.
That is how I choose to interpret it. He is answering a distress call sees an old ex girlfriend from the academy he didn't get along with. She begins by saying Kirk ruined her life. Kirk says he didn't do anything against her career. She says sexism ruined her career. This is is not a good time for Kirk to explain to her that actually women can be captains and have done it successfully, i.e. the problem is you. Who knows. Maybe some sexist manager did affect her career. This accidental reunion with his ex from college is not the time to delve into this issue.
I hate that the show didn't somehow tell the viewer that Kirk was uncomfortable with the situation, and simply avoiding the question of whether sexism has been purged from humanity, sexism may have played some role, or Star Fleet really was openly sexist. He's trying to rescue the expedition and not spend any extra time discussion contentious issues with his ex-g/f.
Assuming they meant that there were no women who were captains of Constitution class starships, this would be consistent with the Star Trek Continues episode "Embracing the Winds", although I understand that it's not technically canon, being a fan film.
True, but with only 13 such seats to fill, and a preponderance of male over female applicants in the command line, or indeed in all of StarFleet, it is not too hard to believe it just hasn't happened yet.
So Lester was bat shit crazy, murderous, jealous, and all sorts of wrong, so it wouldn't surprise me she felt sexism was 100% to blame. And I'm not claiming it was 0% to blame, for I feel it more likely some bad experiences with some men (maybe even her own father to start) gave her that low opinion of men and their attitudes toward women and set her on this path. But she wasn't qualified, no matter what she thought - we can see that for ourselves. And you can never take anything one character says as canon fact (except it is canon fact they said it). They may have been wrong, or even lying, or exaggerating, or other things like that. Just avoiding an argument is a better explanation than most.
So Lester was bat shit crazy, murderous, jealous, and all sorts of wrong, so it wouldn't surprise me she felt sexism was 100% to blame. And I'm not claiming it was 0% to blame, for I feel it more likely some bad experiences with some men (maybe even her own father to start) gave her that low opinion of men and their attitudes toward women and set her on this path. But she wasn't qualified, no matter what she thought - we can see that for ourselves. And you can never take anything one character says as canon fact (except it is canon fact they said it). They may have been wrong, or even lying, or exaggerating, or other things like that. Just avoiding an argument is a better explanation than most.
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trekbbs reality. When people run best trek series polls here it usually has DS9 or TOS at the top.
I never understood that. DS9 always felt most un-trek-like of all the Trek series, I find it weird it would be a fan favourite. I can kinda see people who didn't like Star Trek in the first place liking it, though even as generic scifi series it is not particularly stellar. It was boring in the beginning, briefly got better in the middle, then got bogged down with the endless boring war storyline and ended somewhat anticlimatically. Bashir/O'Brien bromance was the best bit; those guys should've gotten their own spin off.
I obviously can't speak for everyone, but I think overall it has the highest quality due to a number of factors:
- more freedom from executive interference to tell more stories the producers/writers wanted to tell
- experienced staff from TNG that righted some misteps
- most character continuity, growth, and exploration leading to lots of fan investment
- consequence-driven stories, due to the stationary and political nature of the station and story lines
- large cast of reoccurring characters, done by good actors, adding depth to the universe, villains, and alien cultures
- most people (though not everyone) seem to find the war arc compelling and exciting, and even then not every episode in that time focuses on war stuff but it provides a strong background and motivation for characters and story developments
I think the un-Trekness feeling comes from its non-typical setting (non-starship, darker, political, serialized), but ultimately the issues explored, the ways they are explored, and the conclusions - or often lack of conclusions - they reach are imminently Star Trek - sometimes it just takes a little time and investment to see beyond the trappings.
One side note, I ran across a poster the other day who felt the Bashir/O'Brien bromance to be totally unconvincing and uninteresting - if we can fathom that I would think we can see everyone truly has different preferences in and for Trek.
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I guess other people, like me, have a different opinion of it. True, it didn't take place on a star ship always on the go like other Trek series, but the quality was so darn high that I thought it was a great series. YMMV.
These two are definitely things I liked about DS9, and to get back to actual topic, things I wish we would see on Discovery. Due the serialised nature of the show I've high hopes on the character continuity department.
I must be weird. I never met a Trek series I didn't like. Everyone else always seems to hate one or more of them.
Although, I fairly despise the JJ Abrams' films, and I haven't seen enough of Discovery yet to give a fair opinion - but I love Trek enough to have watched them, regardless of what I thought. I'm still waiting to see Discovery for free at some point though, or binge watch it later on DVD. I just can't justify subscribing to another service for just one show.
Although, I fairly despise the JJ Abrams' films, and I haven't seen enough of Discovery yet to give a fair opinion - but I love Trek enough to have watched them, regardless of what I thought. I'm still waiting to see Discovery for free at some point though, or binge watch it later on DVD. I just can't justify subscribing to another service for just one show.
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I love DS9, but yeah, the longer the war goes on, the less interested I am in those episodes. That said, there are some gems even in the war seasons.
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