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Star Trek Countdown #2 (Spoilers)

Since comics are written and drawn many months in advance of their publication, STO certainly would have known the plot details, and are probably "borrowing" them from Countdown. However, given the artwork Countdown obviously was intended to tie in with Star Trek Online. That is undoubtedly a marketing/licensing move.

If it hadn't happened, if there had been better coordination, or if there at least had been someone who knew Trek paying attention, it would have turned out better for everyone.
 
Sorry if this has been asked already but I haven't read issue 2 yet so wanted to avoid spoilers. Is it planned that the novel series are going to incorporate the story from Countdown as something having actually occurred? I know the comics are taking place further into the future than the novels are at but I wondered how things were planned on being dealt with.

Probably not at all. ST:Online seems incompatible with the current state of the Trek novels. (Look at Gul Macet, for one thing.) Assuming Countdown takes place in the future of the ST:O universe, then the novels need not deal with it at all, since they all take place in Harold (the normal Trek timeline).

Same goes for ST XI. If Countdown is the future of ST:O, then ST XI must be its past, so the novels don't have to incorporate it either. See above.
 
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No one's trying to pin it down to anything more than a year.

No one? Within seconds of IDW putting up sample pages of issue #1, several fans had raced to the stardate calculator websites (which I didn't even know existed), or used their own prowess, to expose the precise year, month, day and hour of ST XI's 24th century prologue. ;)

It's a confused, poorly-written, and even-more-poorly-edited mess.

Maybe, but I'm here to say that I thoroughly enjoyed reading issue #2 the other day. I wasn't jotting down incorrect stardates, or continuity breaches, just enjoying the comic's story, artwork and characters.

Without giving anything away, the question of the dating of the comic and the stardate is addressed in the interview with the comic's writers that I did for the first Star Trek Magazine movie issue.

Paul
 
No one's trying to pin it down to anything more than a year.

No one? Within seconds of IDW putting up sample pages of issue #1, several fans had raced to the stardate calculator websites (which I didn't even know existed), or used their own prowess, to expose the precise year, month, day and hour of ST XI's 24th century prologue. ;)[/quote]

"We must be round with him, or equivocation will undo us." :rolleyes: No one involved in this conversation, and you know what I meant. Since the end of TNG's first season, establishing the year has always been easily accomplished by looking at the first two digits of the stardate, and that's all that's germane to the subject here.

It's a confused, poorly-written, and even-more-poorly-edited mess.
Maybe, but I'm here to say that I thoroughly enjoyed reading issue #2 the other day. I wasn't jotting down incorrect stardates, or continuity breaches, just enjoying the comic's story, artwork and characters.
It's not the "continuity gaffes" that really piss me off, but they are indicative of a larger problem with the comic, as are the numerous typos that can be found in issue #2 -- and that problem is bad editing. Beyond that, the artwork is serviceable for an IDW mag (I still cringe at the horrid art in The Space Between), but the story is told in such a juvenile manner with such shallow, wildly inconsistent characterization that artwork aside, Picard, Data and Spock are barely recognizable.

Without giving anything away, the question of the dating of the comic and the stardate is addressed in the interview with the comic's writers that I did for the first Star Trek Magazine movie issue.
Oh yippee, I'll be sure to run to the newsstand. That alone will be worth the $9.99 plus tax. :rolleyes:
 
No one involved in this conversation, and you know what I meant.

Any time I say "no one..." on this board I get called on it. Since there are numerous threads for "Countdown" on this bbs, I felt it was worth mentioning that people have been scrutinizing every aspect of this comic since its inception. So, I wasn't sure what you meant: this thread, this board, or the whole argument.

Beyond that, the artwork is serviceable for an IDW mag (I still cringe at the horrid art in The Space Between), but the story is told in such a juvenile manner with such shallow, wildly inconsistent characterization that artwork aside, Picard, Data and Spock are barely recognizable.
People always quibble about comic artwork. I actually rather liked numerous aspects of the the style used for "The Space Between". In some threads, people have praised the "Countdown" artwork.

Oh yippee, I'll be sure to run to the newsstand. That alone will be worth the $9.99 plus tax. :rolleyes:
Obviously you have issues with ST XI that go way beyond "Countdown" and ST Magazine. I really don't understand your need for all the eye-rolling otherwise.
 
Any time I say "no one..." on this board I get called on it. Since there are numerous threads for "Countdown" on this bbs, I felt it was worth mentioning that people have been scrutinizing every aspect of this comic since its inception.

I haven't scrutinized the comic, everything I've said I picked up on my first read through. I'm just observant, and have a low-tolerance for polished bullshit.

And I haven't ever called you on anything like that, as far as I know. I take a common sense approach to language. It's obvious to tell when people are speaking in colloquial generalizations. Sometimes those are appropriate, other times not so much.

People always quibble about comic artwork. I actually rather liked numerous aspects of the the style used for "The Space Between". In some threads, people have praised the "Countdown" artwork.
For IDW, it's decent artwork. The muted color pallet helps. I haven't liked much of their art, so I suppose it's on par with their stories. I enjoyed most of the artwork in WildStorm's comics, Malibu's DS9, and the later TOS and TNG art during the DC days. Marvel was really hit or miss with their Trek art during their last run with the liscence. Early Voyages greatly impressed me with the quality of art, story, and characterization - although the art took a sour turn during the last storyline. Starfleet Academy's art was somewhat different, but well-suited to its subject matter. Their DS9 and VOY series were terrible all around, in both art and story.

Anyhow a lot of IDW's art is at once too abstract and too basic, especially in The Space Between. Some amount of realism is necessary when you're doing a TV or film tie-in. As long as people get the costume and the hair right, people will be satisfied with Wolverine no matter who draws him. But for Trek, if you go too styilized, it will put off a lot of people.

Obviously you have issues with ST XI that go way beyond "Countdown" and ST Magazine. I really don't understand your need for all the eye-rolling otherwise.
Wrong. I'm actually rather looking forward to, and cautiously-optimistic about, Star Trek XI. And I was very much looking forward to Countdown. But the artwork is the best thing about it - the rest is far too simplistic, childish and riddled with mistakes. I wasn't expecting Ed Brubaker-level writing, but something above second-grade would have been appreciated. It would have been more honest to title the series Star Trek: Letdown.
 
Well since noone mentioned yet, I just read on the IDW trek panel that was posted on a site that I can't remember now, that STO and IDW are working together on this miniseries. Makes sense the uniform design from their game is being used. Won't even mention if a TNG cast member is evening making a cameo in the movie itself. Apparently there is a cliffhanger at the end of this miniseries that will tie to the movie as well. Makes you wonder if Data along w/ Spock and Picard traveled back into the past after Nero.
 
We know at least Spock goes back in time from spoilers (if they were to be trusted).
 
Well since noone mentioned yet, I just read on the IDW trek panel that was posted on a site that I can't remember now, that STO and IDW are working together on this miniseries. Makes sense the uniform design from their game is being used. Won't even mention if a TNG cast member is evening making a cameo in the movie itself. Apparently there is a cliffhanger at the end of this miniseries that will tie to the movie as well. Makes you wonder if Data along w/ Spock and Picard traveled back into the past after Nero.
According the Trekmovie, who is in communication with Roberto Orci, and some other members of the production team said the other day that there will be no TNG cameos.
 
Well since noone mentioned yet, I just read on the IDW trek panel that was posted on a site that I can't remember now, that STO and IDW are working together on this miniseries. Makes sense the uniform design from their game is being used. Won't even mention if a TNG cast member is evening making a cameo in the movie itself. Apparently there is a cliffhanger at the end of this miniseries that will tie to the movie as well. Makes you wonder if Data along w/ Spock and Picard traveled back into the past after Nero.
According the Trekmovie, who is in communication with Roberto Orci, and some other members of the production team said the other day that there will be no TNG cameos.

As far as the "Won't even mention if a TNG cast member is making a cameo in the movie itself" bit, when ever anyone asked them anything about the movie the response was "we can't answer it" so the fact that they wouldn't confirm or deny TNG people were in the movie means nothing. If I remember correctly it went something like this:

writer (and i'm paraphrasing big time here): we tried to get some TNG characters doing important things that get resolved in the movie, not just dropping them in for no reason.
audience member: so are there going to be TNG people in cameo's in the movie?
writer: i can't answer that.

when they mentioned working with STO my memory of that bit was them explicitly saying they got visual elements from the STO people. maybe the got storyline elements from STO but it just stuck out to me he went out of his way to mention "visual" stuff with no mention of story details.

my wife and i both went to wondercon and i went to sessions she didn't go to and she went to sessions i didn't go to and we both agreed this was bar far the most boring session either of us went to. they were there to talk about the countdown comic and that was it, they didn't know anything about other ST comics being published this year.
 
Well apparently they won't say not for certain if any TNG Characters will pop up for sure. I just read the recent article over on Trekmovie just a few mintues ago. They are saying that Countdown does take place 8 years after Nemesis, which was being said before, an 2387 date. I'm still not sure about that myself.
Just pure speculation til the movie comes out. I'm just waiting til the next 2 issues come out soon.
 
^The interview with the Countdown writers contained an ambiguous non-answer which many online have chosen to interpret as a hint that TNG characters might be in the movie, but TrekMovie.com checked with the screenwriters, and they debunked that notion. There are no TNG characters in the movie, unless you count Ambassador Spock and Majel Barrett's computer voice.
 
;)it would has been nice to have the ng peoplein it but i not see it happeing! it would has been nice to see my hero cap kirk the oid 1 1 last time with spock to said good bye! but that not happeing too and both actor 78 year oid it could bee the last chace
 
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