Star Trek Continues Ep. 5: "Divided We Stand"...(spoilers)

[Zaminhon]

If they ever show Klingons, I wouldn't mind seeing the ridged forehead only. Who knows, maybe in the 4th season they got an infusion of funding and upgraded their Klingons. Just as I hope that if they ever show a Gorn, they don't use that rubber suit. As far as explaining it, that's TV, e.g., the Darren switch in Bewitched. I really hate that virus mutation crap.

 

[wamdue]

im fine with bumpy Klingons, they were not just a TNG thing, they were also in the TOS movies, and Wrath of Karn was before TNG, so whilst I totally understand about the holodeck, im ok with bumpy Klingons.

sure its a reference to a future Star Trek production, but it is a future TOS production.

 

[Kor]

^ The Klingon makeup differed dramatically between the movies and TNG/DS9/VOY (and even from movie to movie). And no Klingon characters appeared in The Wrath of Khan.

I wouldn't mind seeing a take on Klingon foreheads using makeup techniques that were used in the 1960s (or 70s, at the latest). The Kreeg in Gene Roddenberry's "Planet Earth" are a good example of a proto-Klingon look.

And the costumes should also look like they were designed at that time.

Kor

 

[Warped9]

For a TOS centric production like STC I think it's best to stay away frum bumpy head Klingons. If you're trying to do things mostly as they could have been done in 1969 then you really shouldn't do something that wasn't even an idea back then.

Not that that's really stopped STC so far.

 

[Kor]

^ True, that.

Kor

 

[wamdue]

^ The Klingon makeup differed dramatically between the movies and TNG/DS9/VOY (and even from movie to movie). And no Klingon characters appeared in The Wrath of Khan.

I wouldn't mind seeing a take on Klingon foreheads using makeup techniques that were used in the 1960s (or 70s, at the latest). The Kreeg in Gene Roddenberry's "Planet Earth" are a good example of a proto-Klingon look.

And the costumes should also look like they were designed at that time.

Kor

oh yeah, good point Wrath of Karn and Search for Spock can merge into one movie, if your not careful.

As for custome, yeah fair enough dont style them like TNG Klingons.

For a TOS centric production like STC I think it's best to stay away frum bumpy head Klingons. If you're trying to do things mostly as they could have been done in 1969 then you really shouldn't do something that wasn't even an idea back then.

Not that that's really stopped STC so far.

exactly it has not stopped them with a couple of other things, I mention the holodeck, and this would be no where near as out of place.

This thread does make me wonder what Star Trek fandom would be like, if it had, had the internet and the idea of modern fandom, when it first aired.

 

[Kor]

^ There was a holographic recreation room in TAS (and I think the original plan was to have it in TOS if the series had continued).

But the grid when the holograms are turned off is definitely TNG-looking.

And for a visual reference to my mention of the Kreeg from Roddenberry's 1974 production "Planet Earth," scroll down a bit on this link:

https://unmadesf.wordpress.com/2014/04/07/gene-roddenberrys-planet-earth-1974-failed-pilot/

Kor

 

[Warped9]

^ There was a holographic recreation room in TAS (and I think the original plan was to have it in TOS if the series had continued).

But the grid when the holograms are turned off is definitely TNG-looking.

Kor

If you read The Making Of Star Trek which reprints much of what was in the Writer's Guide there is a definite reference to a holographic recreation area as well as being able to view messages in holographic form (somewhat similar I imagine to what was seen later in TNG as well as early as Star Wars.

So even without TAS the idea existed way back only they never had opportunity to use it. I can give them a pass except that, like you say, it was done in such a TNG way.

 

[wamdue]

^ There was a holographic recreation room in TAS (and I think the original plan was to have it in TOS if the series had continued).

But the grid when the holograms are turned off is definitely TNG-looking.

And for a visual reference to my mention of the Kreeg from Roddenberry's 1974 production "Planet Earth," scroll down a bit on this link:

https://unmadesf.wordpress.com/2014/04/07/gene-roddenberrys-planet-earth-1974-failed-pilot/

Kor

ive actually never seen TAS (get that off my chest), and yeah the Kreeg or something similar would be an interesting comprise between the two.

Not that there should be a comprise, both types of Kilngon are IMO (for what that is worth) suitable for Continues.

More to the point, I thought Andromeda was a rewritten idea for what if Kirk had to rebuild the federation after waking up in the far future, and working with a crew of Renega..... oh um damm it, I think I just worked out the story arc for Star Trek Renegades.

 

[Maurice]

^ There was a holographic recreation room in TAS (and I think the original plan was to have it in TOS if the series had continued).

But the grid when the holograms are turned off is definitely TNG-looking.

And for a visual reference to my mention of the Kreeg from Roddenberry's 1974 production "Planet Earth," scroll down a bit on this link:

https://unmadesf.wordpress.com/2014/04/07/gene-roddenberrys-planet-earth-1974-failed-pilot/

Kor

Or just click this link.

 

[Bixby]

There was a holographic recreation room in TAS (and I think the original plan was to have it in TOS if the series had continued).

As forward-thinking and as good as Roddenberry and
Gene Coon were (they did envision personal tablet computers and cel phones after all), back in the 60s holograms were at the most used for dual-image baseball cards and the like. I can recall no other television series, film or book even speculating about hologram-created environments or characters until at least the early to mid-70s....

Ao I call BS on the idea of holodecks in 60s TOS

 

[Maurice]

There's no indication that that pad things on TOS were computers per se, and the communicators were just space walkie talkies/locator beacons, and not even as advanced as the TV transmitting communicator gizmos in Forbidden Planet.

 

[Warped9]

There was a holographic recreation room in TAS (and I think the original plan was to have it in TOS if the series had continued).

As forward-thinking and as good as Roddenberry and
Gene Coon were (they did envision personal tablet computers and cel phones after all), back in the 60s holograms were at the most used for dual-image baseball cards and the like. I can recall no other television series, film or book even speculating about hologram-created environments or characters until at least the early to mid-70s....

Ao I call BS on the idea of holodecks in 60s TOS

From The Making Of Star Trek, Page 190:

The fourth major facility on the eighth deck level is the entertainment center. Certainly men of the future will require entertainment as much as we enjoy motion pictures and television today. Probably entertainment will be three-dimensional in nature and perhaps will even go further, in that you will sit in the room and the story will take place all around you. In other words, a sophisticated extension of holography.

The technique will also have its effect on the traditional "mail call." Instead of receiving a letter, a man can sit in the room and, via tape, actually "see" the person sending the correspondence. As the tape is projected, the images will form in the air in front of him, so he will be able to see how his child loks, what's happening to the home, and how great his grandmother looked that day. It will be just as if he were standing there with them. Having used the "projecting unit," he can then use the "photographic unit," do a similar thing himself, and send it home.

There's no indication that that pad things on TOS were computers per se, and the communicators were just space walkie talkies/locator beacons, and not even as advanced as the TV transmitting communicator gizmos in Forbidden Planet.

The beautiful thing is they weren't really explained and so there is room for speculation as to what they actually were and how they actually worked. Early on during development of "The Cage" GR floated the idea that the communicators also doubled as a language translating device. Although we never saw the TOS communicators used (or at least referred to) that way (and that they came up with a separate device as the Universal Translator) it's still an intriguing idea.

 

[Kor]

Edit: Warped9 already said it.

Kor

 

[GSchnitzer]

There's no indication that that pad things on TOS were computers per se, and the communicators were just space walkie talkies/locator beacons, and not even as advanced as the TV transmitting communicator gizmos in Forbidden Planet.

For what it's worth--from the July 27, 1967 Final Draft script of "The Deadly Years"--here's some content from Scene 48:

"48 ANOTHER ANGLE

as Kirk starts toward his command chair, YEOMAN DORIS
ATKINS moves to him, with an electronic Feinberger
board in her hand.

YEOMAN ATKINS
Will you sign this, sir?

Kirk glances at it, takes the pen from her, scribbles
his name on the board and hands it back to her. She
accepts it and walks back to her post. Kirk turns his
attention to Commodore Stocker."

So it is evidently an "electronic Feinberger board." No information on whether it is "computerized, but electronic? Yes.

 

[Maurice]

Of course it's electronic. It had a lightbulb on it.

 

[Kor]

Feinberger boards.
After all these years, I finally know what those things are really called.

Kor

 

[Harvey]

A lot of the props on the original show are identified in the script as Feibergers (after the propert master, Irving Feinberg).

 

[ihno]

I feel a little ambigous about this episode.

The costumes and sets are very good (any local wargame player nearby? ) but I never was fond of those patriotic epsisodes in TOS (The Omega Glory is an embarrassment to watch). So at some occasions my eyes just had to roll a bit.

And I must say that the acting is too much based on imitation of the original actors. That doesn't work, in the first scene it looks like Kirk is already under alien influence (or some powerful Platonians will make him dance in the next second). It gets better after some minutes but I would prefer if they'd approach that a little differently.

 

[mybandy]

i really enjoyed most of Mind Sifter. Read the story 40 years ago (!) and always wanted to see it filmed.great story, loved Spock and especially the new McCoy. Unfortunately, the new P II Kirk is just awful. Completely unrecognizable as Kirk whether in distress or even at the end. He just has no presence or charisma at all. James Cawley didn't do a "shatner" Kirk but was a very charismatic leader. Of course, Brian Gross can't get near the same bridge as Vic Mignogna's Kirk.