Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND - Grading & Discussion

[Ovation]

But none of this changes the fact they aren't together.

There is insufficient information in the film for you to arrive at this definitive conclusion (unless you mean a narrowly defined "at this exact moment" situation). Meanwhile, there are sufficient contextual indications suggesting, at the very least, that "not being together", if at all true, will be of very limited duration.

 

[fireproof78]

I stated exactly what was in the movie. I didn't attached desires to it.



But they aren't. Thy may get back together in the next movie (hope not), but they aren't a thing right now. So I'll have 3 years of sanity.



Stupid decision by Kirk BTW.

But none of this changes the fact they aren't together.

Loved her in this one. It's amazing how effective and efficient she can be if she isn't dribbling over Spock.

There isn't enough information in the film to determine their relationship status. Nor do I see how it is a good thing, but that's just me.

Also, Uhura had plenty of moments in every film of being a professional and showing her skills without "dribbling over Spock" (whatever that means ).

As for Kirk's decision to take Spock instead of Chekov on the rescue attempt is non-issue to me. Spock is still the royal smart guy, as well as stronger than the rest of the crew, even injured. How often, especially in movies, do characters go on the dangerous mission even after being injured? Nothing new there.

 

[Malaika]

I stated exactly what was in the movie. I didn't attached desires to it.

No, you didn't but nice try. You don't want them together so you are holding onto the initial break up and taking it out of context ignoring part of spock's arc, and the implications of some scenes, to suit your own narrative. But in canon there is no reason provided why they should stay broken up AND there is a scene strongly implying that they don't. Plus, even the 'break up' is partly assumption from your part but it isn't even something the characters acknowledge on screen. Again, even the one person who knows about their relationship issues still considers them a couple (must have something to do with the context of the 'break up you try so hard to ignore)
I'm the one who stated what is showed in the movie in terms of character motivations, text and subtext and you essentially insinuated I'm delusional for not having your interpretation^ in spite of it being supported by nothing in canon. Have fun playing the pot that calls the kettle black.

But they aren't. Thy may get back together in the next movie (hope not), but they aren't a thing right now. So I'll have 3 years of sanity.

Didn't know you were one of the writers. Well, if you were or you know them please tell them that if their intention wasn't implying they are an item in the end they really did a bad job conveying this message.




(the above comment contains sarcasm)

 

[fireproof78]

No, you didn't but nice try. You don't want them together so you are holding onto the initial break up and taking it out of context ignoring part of spock's arc, and the implications of some scenes, to suit your own narrative. But in canon there is no reason provided why they should stay broken up AND there is a scene strongly implying that they don't. Plus, even the 'break up' is partly assumption from your part but it isn't even something the characters acknowledge on screen. Again, even the one person who knows about their relationship issues still considers them a couple (must have something to do with the context of the 'break up you try so hard to ignore)
I'm the one who stated what is showed in the movie in terms of character motivations, text and subtext and you essentially insinuated I'm delusional for not having your interpretation^ in spite of it being supported by nothing in canon. Have fun playing the pot that calls the kettle black.



Didn't know you were one of the writers. Well, if you were or you know them please tell them that if their intention wasn't implying they are an item in the end they really did a bad job conveying this message.




(the above comment contains sarcasm)



Stupid decision by Kirk BTW.

But none of this changes the fact they aren't together.

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I agree with your overall point, but your Quote tags are not quite right.

 

[jamestyler]

Also, Uhura had plenty of moments in every film of being a professional and showing her skills without "dribbling over Spock" (whatever that means ).

That simply means that, being in a relationship and being a woman, she has little to no other defining quality. Because you can't be a strong, positive female unless you're single. Apparently.

I should note this is a major bug of mine. I hear a ridiculous amount of criticism of women being two dimensional because they're shown in a relationship by people intent on making them two dimensional and only focusing or defining on that relationship and absolutely nothing else.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Yeah nuSpock and nuUhura are a couple in this film - which doesn't impact their effectiveness in any way.

I like that.

 

[fireproof78]

That simply means that, being in a relationship and being a woman, she has little to no other defining quality. Because you can't be a strong, positive female unless you're single. Apparently.

I should note this is a major bug of mine. I hear a ridiculous amount of criticism of women being two dimensional because they're shown in a relationship by people intent on making them two dimensional and only focusing or defining on that relationship and absolutely nothing else.

Ok. Can I go back to the part where that is a ridiculous assertion? Because I like nu-Uhura a lot and none of that has anything to do with her relationship with Spock, Kirk or anyone else on the crew.

 

[jamestyler]

Ok. Can I go back to the part where that is a ridiculous assertion? Because I like nu-Uhura a lot and none of that has anything to do with her relationship with Spock, Kirk or anyone else on the crew.

I completely agree - though I went into minor sarcasm mode (not at you, but the comment you replied to!) as it does infuriate me that a woman (or anyone) can't be strong, independent, have their own voice AND be in a relationship

 

[Malaika]

I guess JJ was right, after all, with the kissing scenes because it seems some people are not able to see it when two characters are a couple without that.
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@jamestyler a fun game to play is imagining Uhura as a dude and how she would be praised for pretty much everything she is criticised for as a woman. Her contribution to the plot would suddenly get noticed too.
You already have that example: Kirk.
In the first movie he was the one who benefited from 'favoritism' by both Pike and McCoy. His best friend abused his position on the ship to sneak him aboard with him, yet no one complains about that but people still insist on projecting that stuff on Uhura and make sexist claims about her.

 

[siskokid888]

Well... a storyline for one. There's just no meat to this movie. I don't quite understand the disconnect between the trailer being generally agreed to be bad but not the movie, because it's very representative of the full movie.

Ship crash, crew rescue, bad guy fight. They try to shoehorn a story of Kirk becoming bored, and then somehow a random rescue mission gets him going again, which doesn't really work. As far as exploring strange new worlds we get a visually impressive space station that we barely explore, and an empty feeling planet with one side character whose alien race I still know nothing about. Unlike the other great trek movies there weren't many interesting command decisions either. Into Darkness managed to have important character moments along with the light banter. This one doesn't feel like the spirit of TOS or TNG to me.

I will have to respectfully disagree. I think the storyline is evident, and I don't think Kirk's disaffection is "shoehorned" at all - it fits the overriding (almost existential) question - why are we out here? Why do we face these dangers? What's the point? All eventually brutally brought home by events in the story. The overcoming of that doubt, and the finding of purpose, is for me right from the mouth of Roddenberry.

I will agree on the "exploring new worlds" critique, but it's hard to do in a two hour movie. At least they were out on the frontier this time, and earth was no where to be seen. And not for nothing, the prior 12 films had little, if any, exploration.

 

[Makarov]

I will have to respectfully disagree. I think the storyline is evident, and I don't think Kirk's disaffection is "shoehorned" at all - it fits the overriding (almost existential) question - why are we out here? Why do we face these dangers? What's the point? All eventually brutally brought home by events in the story. The overcoming of that doubt, and the finding of purpose, is for me right from the mouth of Roddenberry.

Did I miss where that happened though? What is it about these particular events that gets him reinvested? There was no awe inspiring contact with a new life form or something that would make someone want to stay out in space. It was a rescue job that a militaristic Starfleet could have pulled off without the enterprise whatsoever - send some warships in and clean up the mess with Krall. The movie opens with him interacting with different species, which he's bored with, yet it's this standard action story which gets him going again.

 

[Photoman15]

Why are people getting their panties in an uproar because Kirk was feeling the mission(s) were feeling episodic and he wanted to do something else? Didn't Chris Pike (Jeffery Hunter's) want to leave Starfleet and go ride horses in the park or trade Orion Slave Girls? You think this is something new?

 

[Makarov]

Why are people getting their panties in an uproar because Kirk was feeling the mission(s) were feeling episodic and he wanted to do something else? Didn't Chris Pike (Jeffery Hunter's) want to leave Starfleet and go ride horses in the park or trade Orion Slave Girls? You think this is something new?

New or not it's one of the few moments where Beyond attempts to tell a story and it barely connects to the majority of the movie.

 

[Yanks]

There is insufficient information in the film for you to arrive at this definitive conclusion (unless you mean a narrowly defined "at this exact moment" situation). Meanwhile, there are sufficient contextual indications suggesting, at the very least, that "not being together", if at all true, will be of very limited duration.

You do know the exact same thing can be said and counter this argument?

We haven't seen them back together, so they aren't.

 

[wayoung]

B- It had my favourite moment of the Kelvin time line (Pines "I ripped my shirt again" ) and my favourite shots (the all too brief warp bubble, the Enterprise leaving Yorktown) but the story was too repetitive. I posted in other threads what I had anticipated happening from the trailers, and other than one moment (Krall being a former Starfleet Captain and attacking The Federation due to his feeling it was responsible for the death of his crew - AKA Khan all over again) it went exactly as the trailers depicted, and exactly as so many Star Trek films before it had went.

I really enjoyed the inside jokes / references (I chose to believe Scotty misremembered the Franklin as the first warp 4 when it was really the first warp, say, 7 ship).

I feel the cast did their best job yet, although it was a horrible waste of Elba and Shohreh Aghdashloo - which kinda fits in NuTreks underutilization of its "guest stars".

Anyway, it was fine,and Pegg definitely did his research writing the film, but Trek really needs to break the plot rut it has found itself in.

Edit to add: Another planet eating swarm? How 2005. I thought we'd grown beyond that.

Edit again: 2nd favourite moment in all of NuTreks, McCoy toasting Kirk on having perfect eyesight and a full head of hair on his BDay, such a clever reference to McCoy giving toupee wearing Kirk prime glasses on his Bday

Was that photo a promo shot from TUC? Having Sulu in it has me a little unsure. It was nice.

Edit once more : Stealing the plot resolution from Mars Attacks is insanely lame and cheesey. But it was acted and directed so well - I'm conflicted.

 

[BillJ]

Was that photo a promo shot from TUC? Having Sulu in it has me a little unsure. It was nice.

Pretty sure it was from The Final Frontier.

 

[Photoman15]

New or not it's one of the few moments where Beyond attempts to tell a story and it barely connects to the majority of the movie.

Well, that's a shame. You missed the point of the movie.

 

[Ovation]

You do know the exact same thing can be said and counter this argument?

Exact same thing? No.

We haven't seen them back together, so they aren't.

I've not made a definitive statement on the matter. I've only commented on probabilities based on contextual clues. Your definitive stance remains uncorroborated--so still not correct.

 

[T'Bonz]

Seems to me that Uhura and Spock would be getting back together if I go by that birthday party scene. Would it last long-term? Unknown. The cultural differences seem to be challenging for Uhura and she may want more than he can give emotionally. But the end of the movie showed the potential for them moving forward.

That's what I took away from it. It was the first reboot movie in which I didn't want to slap the writers for the high school-ish relationship. This actually seemed like a mature adult relationship.

 

[fireproof78]

Did I miss where that happened though? What is it about these particular events that gets him reinvested? There was no awe inspiring contact with a new life form or something that would make someone want to stay out in space. It was a rescue job that a militaristic Starfleet could have pulled off without the enterprise whatsoever - send some warships in and clean up the mess with Krall. The movie opens with him interacting with different species, which he's bored with, yet it's this standard action story which gets him going again.

Pretty sure I mentioned this, but I'll say it again-nuKirk isn't bored. He is depressed and feeling frustrated and directionless. It connects to the larger theme of the movie because that is what Edison experiences when he goes from being MACO to a starship captain. We see Kirk wrestling with an existential crisis and deciding to be promoted rather than remain on a starship.

What changes? The fact that his crew and him were able to achieve the impossible.

You do know the exact same thing can be said and counter this argument?

We haven't seen them back together, so they aren't.

Lack of evidence is not evidence to the contrary. I think that their interaction at the birthday party, with Uhura openly wearing the pendant from Spock shows a renewed interest in the relationship. Whether they are "back together" is not necessary to answer. It's complicated, like real world relationships are.