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Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND - Grading & Discussion

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Mudd (it may be his daughter?) in the IDW comics is a woman, which makes me curious about a kelvin do-over of Mudds Woman? (Which what most of the comic book stories in the first year were.)

1. Mudd is a woman taking 3 men on the Venus drug to marry 3 "rich" male lithium prospectors.

2. Mudd is a woman taking 3 men on the Venus drug to marry 3 "rich" female lithium prospectors.

3. Mudd is a woman taking 3 women on the Venus drug to marry 3 "rich" female lithium prospectors.

4. Mudd is a woman taking a mixture of men and women on the Venus drug to marry a mixture of 3 "rich" female and male lithium prospectors.

(They're all equally bad?)
 
Mudd (it may be his daughter?) in the IDW comics is a woman, which makes me curious about a kelvin do-over of Mudds Woman? (Which what most of the comic book stories in the first year were.)

I'm pretty sure they admitted that the artist made a mistake.
 
Did her being 20 years younger and having Bajoran nose ridges not give it away? :p

Like I said, I seem to remember them stating that it was a mistake but they were too deep into making it to change it. But I don't remember anything in Countdown to Darkness that identifies her as Harriot Mudd.
 
I love it when people watch a completely different movie than the one I watched. One where Uhura doesn't beat up a couple of Krall's minions and she, instead of going to her escape pod, doesn't sacrifice herself to save Kirk and give a chance to the crew, or she isn't the one who discovers Krall's identity by simply paying attention to the way he pronounced a word, or she isn't the one who saved Spock when he thought he was the one saving her. A movie where her role doesn't end up, actually, being a tad more pivotal and important for the main plot than McCoy and Scotty, in spite of the latter having more screentime thank to their interactions with Spock and Jaylah.

I love that she is more involved in nuTrek. More "pivotal" is irrelevant to her being part of the "big 3" though. She never was and never should have been and never should be.

All the "minor" characters get more action than they did in the TV series or the movies. I think that's a good thing.

and I guess some people also got a movie where the only reason S/U initially break up is not just the fact he wanted to leave them all to help the vulcans and, therefore, if in the end he stays, and the whole movie pretty much made a point they love each other, it's easy to understand that they get back together too especially when helped by a scene where they are blatantly flirting and he tells her he went to the party only to spend time with her and she calls him 'old romantic'. (I guess for some people they didn't get back together if they didn't have a make out session in front of the whole crew)

They made no such point, unless that's what you want to see because this relationship is so important to you. Your argument makes no sense. You are saying helping Vulcan wasn't the only reason he broke up with her (which is correct) and then say because he stayed because .... what? ... nothing in the movie could lead anyone to believe it was because of her. So, by your terms, if a couple breaks up, then they decide to talk.... they are back together again? The only thing we can acertain from the movie is that Spock realized that his place on Enterprise with this crew was more important to him than making Vulcan babies.

I hope they don't get back together. He's already showed favoritism to a subordinate and jeopardized a dangerous mission because of this stupid love affair.

you guys also please remind me what McCoy did more than being a 'friend' first to Kirk and then to Spock because it seems to me that rather than knowing more about him and his personal life, he really gets more screentime in this movie by mostly being someone who listens to Kirk or Spock problems. Did he even interact with other characters beside them? If that and the attention 'bromance' gets is something you consider ok in spite of really having male characters 'defined' by those dynamics and not doing much more beyond that, then I think we can do without this never ending concern trolling about Uhura - who is pretty much less defined by her relationship with Spock than the dudes are by bromance - whose contribution to the plot is constantly erased for no other reason than the fact that she's a woman and therefore her having a relationship somehow diminishes her in the same breath people glorify male characters defined by relationships.

Bromance hater.... this movie reinforced the close relationship of Bones with Kirk and Spock. Something that was pretty much forgotten in STiD and for the most part ST09. I was sorely needed IMO. (and done pretty well)
 
nuUhura had her largest role to date in this film, and I would say she is a "pivotal" part of the film. She basically got bumped up to "Big 3" status, even though with Lin at the helm everyone was a bit more equal than in previous films.
 
I love that she is more involved in nuTrek. More "pivotal" is irrelevant to her being part of the "big 3" though. She never was and never should have been and never should be.

if you say so...

I hope they don't get back together. He's already showed favoritism to a subordinate and jeopardized a dangerous mission because of this stupid love affair.
They made no such point, unless that's what you want to see because this relationship is so important to you.

biased person with agenda telling another person they are the ones biased...

and there must be many people (including the guys over memory alpha and Zachary Quinto, and McCoy^) then who want to 'see' that if they understood the narrative of why the break up happened at the beginning and why they are together in the end..


Your argument makes no sense.
You are saying helping Vulcan wasn't the only reason he broke up with her (which is correct) and then say because he stayed because .... what? ... nothing in the movie could lead anyone to believe it was because of her. So, by your terms, if a couple breaks up, then they decide to talk.... they are back together again? The only thing we can acertain from the movie is that Spock realized that his place on Enterprise with this crew was more important to him than making Vulcan babies..
some people don't do sarcasm....
let me quote myself
I said: "love it when people watch a completely different movie than the one I watched."
so I therefore explained what must be the movie YOU watched: a movie where S/U don't get back together and where the reason for the break up wasn't just Spock leaving the ship, in spite of that being the context to the break up that HE gave to Mccoy (and thus us the audience) himself (and no other context was provided that would make it so that the ending, when he stays, would make it impossible for them to be together, especially when he obviously loves her).

nothing in the movie could lead anyone to believe it was because of her

yeah, almost losing her totally wasn't part of his reasons to stay. He totally stayed for Chekov ;) That's why when he's injured he tells Kirk he wants to participate to the rescue mission in his place.

So, by your terms, if a couple breaks up, then they decide to talk.... they are back together again?

nope. But if a break up is only based on the fact that the guy wants to leave all his friends to go help his people in spite of him still having feelings for his girlfriend, and then in the end he decides to stay and he says he went to his friend's party only to spend time with said girlfriend (that none of his friends, including the one who knew they broke up, ever stops to consider his girlfriend), who calls him old romantic while playing with THE NECKLACE he gave her, chances are that, perhaps, them getting back together is a concept the creative team and the actors tried to convey and you don't need to see them get it on Kirk's birthday cake to get the picture.


Bromance hater....

I guess calling people out on their double standards for Uhura and the spock/uhura relationship makes someone a bromance hater. ^ misandry!
 
Well... a storyline for one. There's just no meat to this movie. I don't quite understand the disconnect between the trailer being generally agreed to be bad but not the movie, because it's very representative of the full movie.

Ship crash, crew rescue, bad guy fight. They try to shoehorn a story of Kirk becoming bored, and then somehow a random rescue mission gets him going again, which doesn't really work. As far as exploring strange new worlds we get a visually impressive space station that we barely explore, and an empty feeling planet with one side character whose alien race I still know nothing about. Unlike the other great trek movies there weren't many interesting command decisions either. Into Darkness managed to have important character moments along with the light banter. This one doesn't feel like the spirit of TOS or TNG to me.
Not sure what to tell you then. I felt like it started out with Kirk having a Captain's log and discussing the wear and tear on his crew of being out in space for so long. He isn't "bored." He's depressed.

As for command decisions, again, not sure what to tell you. Kirk is constantly having to make decisions about protecting his crew, and risking his life. He lives in the shadow of his father, especially with his birthday occurring. His decision to abandon ship is not one made lightly. He is more introspective, considering all his options, including leaving Spock on the Franklin, and making the choice to find Krall.

The opening 20 minutes felt like I could insert it in to TOS without a problem,
 
I don't need an ensemble. Could care less if Sulu gets his required seven lines or whatever to make it seem like an ensemble pic. TOS was originally star plus co-star plus guest star of the week.

Grew into 2+1+.5(Scotty); maybe .33 for Chekov in S3 (Spectre, Eden).

The love btwn Uhura and Spock seems pretty cold/undeveloped to this observer. About as good as any Berman-era love angle. The writers throw darts at a board . . . HEY, let's have X and Y be in love. Kewl.

I like the strong female protagonist in Beyond. With that said, we just had the same character in SW7. It would be neat to see Uhura stepped up to be a person rather than "Spock's girlfriend so that we can have Spock and Uhura in a relationship b/c it's edgy or kewl."
 
biased person with agenda telling another person they are the ones biased...

I stated exactly what was in the movie. I didn't attached desires to it.

and there must be many people (including the guys over memory alpha and Zachary Quinto, and McCoy^) then who want to 'see' that if they understood the narrative of why the break up happened at the beginning and why they are together in the end..

But they aren't. Thy may get back together in the next movie (hope not), but they aren't a thing right now. So I'll have 3 years of sanity.

yeah, almost losing her totally wasn't part of his reasons to stay. He totally stayed for Chekov ;) That's why when he's injured he tells Kirk he wants to participate to the rescue mission in his place.

Stupid decision by Kirk BTW.

But none of this changes the fact they aren't together.
 
nuUhura had her largest role to date in this film, and I would say she is a "pivotal" part of the film. She basically got bumped up to "Big 3" status, even though with Lin at the helm everyone was a bit more equal than in previous films.
Loved her in this one. It's amazing how effective and efficient she can be if she isn't dribbling over Spock.
 
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