"Star Trek Begins" - The 'Origins' Film Discussion

[StarMan]

^We'll kick off from II, then.

But think about that - is there someone out there who prefers the odd-numbered to even out there?

I do miss the Kelvin films, yes.

Funny guy.

But also applicable.

Who is this even for?

Paramount's quarterly earnings calls, I assume.

 

[fireproof78]

Funny guy.

Thank you. But looks are not everything.

 

[mattman8907]

What'll be interesting is seeing if they meet their 2025 deadline. I remember The '09 film was supposed to have been out by Christmas '08 before the writers striker happened and they pushed it back to May of 09.

 

[BillJ]

So, what are they going for? Summer 2025? Doesn't seem like much time to get a major production up and running.

 

[fireproof78]

So, what are they going for? Summer 2025? Doesn't seem like much time to get a major production up and running.

Not clear. Just part of their 2025-2026 slate and supposedly ongoing development.

Doable, if tight.

 

[Cr0sis21]

So, what are they going for? Summer 2025? Doesn't seem like much time to get a major production up and running.

It probably already is up and running. After the ridicule from all their start-stop announcements, I wouldn't be surprised if they were well into production before making an announcement. At least, that would be the smart thing to do.

 

[UssGlenn]

So, what are they going for? Summer 2025? Doesn't seem like much time to get a major production up and running.

If only they had already existing starship sets to film on! Honestly, just make theatrical SNW movies with the TV production team, This isn't Warp Field Science, people!

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

https://www.thewrap.com/star-trek-prequel-toby-haynes-seth-grahame-smith-announced/

Well. I hope this one happens.

 

[FredH]

Anything before Nero crossing over in '09 is part of the Prime Timeline, so if this movie is set before Nero's crossover, then this movie will technically be set in the Prime Timeline.

Unless you/the writers follow Simon Pegg's opinion that time travel creates ripples in both directions.

While at first I dismissed the “time travel changes things in both directions” idea, it eventually occurred to me that for Star Trek, it makes sense:

Since the timeline is already filled with tons of time-travel incidents both before and after 2233 — including crossing from times after that year to times before it — it stands to reason that if events leading to certain time-travel incidents initiated AFTER 2233 but leading to “past” eras BEFORE 2233 are prevented from happening (because the chain of events from Nero onward means there’s nobody there to initiate them, or someone else is who does it differently), the effects they would have had in the past don’t happen — meaning the past has now been effectively changed too. Chain of events from that leads to whatever differences you want. So yeah, things BEFORE 2233 can have changed, too.

 

[drt]

So, what are they going for? Summer 2025? Doesn't seem like much time to get a major production up and running.

Not clear. Just part of their 2025-2026 slate and supposedly ongoing development.

Doable, if tight.

At this point I think maybe shooting for 2026 and the 60th anniversary makes the most sense.

 

[Dukhat]

It probably already is up and running. After the ridicule from all their start-stop announcements, I wouldn't be surprised if they were well into production before making an announcement. At least, that would be the smart thing to do.

I doubt that is the case.

If only they had already existing starship sets to film on! Honestly, just make theatrical SNW movies with the TV production team, This isn't Warp Field Science, people!

I think they're going to want to build their own sets for a new film about the 'origins of the Kelvinverse.' I don't see a theatrical SNW film being made.

 

[Mage]

I doubt that is the case.



I think they're going to want to build their own sets for a new film about the 'origins of the Kelvinverse.' I don't see a theatrical SNW film being made.

It could be in early pre-production. Screenplay and script being written, design work. But not actual setbuilding and the likes. If calls went out for casting, we'd be hearing small rumors by now. Nothing of the sort is going on yet, agreed.
And as for using the SNW sets, they'd have to alter them quite a lot to use them for the movies if they want to give it their own feel, and the costs of doing that AND rebuilding them back to SNW looks would be more expensive than actually building new sets, so also agreed.
They might use corridors and things like that for a quick shot, but nothing like the bridge or sickbay for multiple scenes.

As for the Romulan War movie some people think it could be, like you said earlier, that would be a great idea for a straight to P+ tv-movie kinda thing. But for the general public, it won't have any appeal. That's why ST09 was such a big hit. It was definitely Star Trek, but also fresh and new that it attracted a new audience to it. If a trailer now dropped of a huge Star Trek blockbuster set during the Romulan War filled with little tidbits and call back to things like Enterprise, the general movie viewer wouldn't care.

 

[TerryTrek]

The Romulan War movie doesn't need to call back to anything from Enterprise.

It's essentially a blank canvas. All the audience needs to know is Earth and Vulcan are allies after First Contact, and a secretive invading alien force (Romulans) is trying to destabilize that alliance. Romulans were introduced in 2009's Trek to general audiences with no real problems.

Andorians and Tellarites could be introduced within the film itself. For branding purposes, like I said earlier, if you had young Tiberius Kirk as the lead. That would help as well.

Military-esque space ships. Nuclear weapons. MACOs. It's all very grounded and relatable amidst the conflicts going in the world today.

Ultimately a war film that builds towards the birth of the Federation. It's an ideal way to slowly acclimate new audiences to Star Trek's core values by showing how those values were forged.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Oooorrr.... It will be seen by the public-at-large as being a derivative and hackneyed cash-in trying to ride the coattails of Dune.

 

[Cr0sis21]

Oooorrr.... It will be seen by the public-at-large as being a derivative and hackneyed cash-in trying to ride the coattails of Dune.

Agreed.

Honestly, I don't know why anyone thinks overt callbacks can't work.
I mean, I watched Wrath of Khan about ten years before I ever saw Space Seed. Didn't matter. A good story...is a good story.

You can do callbacks to Enterprise, and as long as it's a good story it will only enhance the tale, not detract.

 

[Dukhat]

The Romulan War movie doesn't need to call back to anything from Enterprise.

It's essentially a blank canvas. All the audience needs to know is Earth and Vulcan are allies after First Contact, and a secretive invading alien force (Romulans) is trying to destabilize that alliance. Romulans were introduced in 2009's Trek to general audiences with no real problems.

Andorians and Tellarites could be introduced within the film itself. For branding purposes, like I said earlier, if you had young Tiberius Kirk as the lead. That would help as well.

Military-esque space ships. Nuclear weapons. MACOs. It's all very grounded and relatable amidst the conflicts going in the world today.

Ultimately a war film that builds towards the birth of the Federation. It's an ideal way to slowly acclimate new audiences to Star Trek's core values by showing how those values were forged.

Yay! A new Star Trek film about…war. As if hearing about Russia/Ukraine, Israel/Palestine, etc. isn’t enough, now we’re going to have a war movie from the people who used to show Star Trek as a positive, bright, peaceful future full of people of all races and ethnicities all getting along.

No, no, no. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. Nobody gives a shit about the Romulan War except for the people who post here and the hardcore nerds who respond to YouTube videos and Facebook post comments. And it will not draw in the casual audience.

 

[fireproof78]

Star Trek as a positive, bright, peaceful future full of people of all races and ethnicities all getting along.

How many wars did we see in Star Trek again? Action and adventure, and combat and threatening to blow stuff up, including whole planets? Cold war in space? Drone warfare?

No, none of that. Must have been watching a different TV show.

 

[UssGlenn]

I think they're going to want to build their own sets for a new film about the 'origins of the Kelvinverse.' I don't see a theatrical SNW film being made.

And as for using the SNW sets, they'd have to alter them quite a lot to use them for the movies if they want to give it their own feel, and the costs of doing that AND rebuilding them back to SNW looks would be more expensive than actually building new sets, so also agreed.
They might use corridors and things like that for a quick shot, but nothing like the bridge or sickbay for multiple scenes.

Sorry, the sarcasm wasn't coming through. I wasn't saying they should use the SNW sets for the Kelvin prequel. I was saying a Kelvin prequel is a stupid idea and they should just make SNW movies, no set alterations needed.

 

[Cr0sis21]

How many wars did we see in Star Trek again? Action and adventure, and combat and threatening to blow stuff up, including whole planets? Cold war in space? Drone warfare?

No, none of that. Must have been watching a different TV show.

Star Trek has always been, and should always be, about avoiding war.
That's not to say that it can't talk about war. See: Season 1 of Disco, and Seasons 5-7 of DS9.
But that was awkward meant to be a contrast to how things normally are.
I don't think a major theatrical release ought to just be about a war. A streaming movie? A miniseries? Sure.
But, to quote Star Trek 6, Starfleet's mission has always been one of peace. And it's important to keep that at the forefront of the franchise.

 

[fireproof78]

Star Trek has always been, and should always be, about avoiding war.
That's not to say that it can't talk about war. See: Season 1 of Disco, and Seasons 5-7 of DS9.
But that was awkward meant to be a contrast to how things normally are.
I don't think a major theatrical release ought to just be about a war. A streaming movie? A miniseries? Sure.
But, to quote Star Trek 6, Starfleet's mission has always been one of peace. And it's important to keep that at the forefront of the franchise.

I'm not disagreeing with that, but I also look at the other side of it too-sometimes war is a reaction to things that cannot be avoided. Kirk and Kor having their discussion that they won't be "having their war."

No, I don't want a film that glorifies war. But, I also don't want this "we have to avoid it and cannot explore it" attitude to permeate through either. The number of conflicts shown and spoken of in Star Trek is quite a bit, from the Klingons, Tholians, Tzenkethi, Kzin (TAS), Cardassians, and between other powers like Vulcans and Andorians.

I think there is a place for a story around war and how to navigate the challenges actually shown, rather than glorifying them.