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"Star Trek Begins" - The 'Origins' Film Discussion

I just came back from Reddit to post this but thanks! Yeah I am excited, I hate that it'll be a prequel again but hopefully it'll be good.
Holy shit!
It's still far from certain, though. Star Trek Into Oblivion was cast, had locations scouted and concept art, then was cancelled for the rushed Star Trek Beyond.
 
Is it just me who's annoyed that the film description mentions "the original 2009 movie"? '09 was many things, but original it was not.

They’re not using ‘original’ in the sense you’re describing. They’re just trying to differentiate this movie from the prime timeline movies. Which I’m still questioning, because the past of the KT is the same as the past of the prime timeline.
 
They’re not using ‘original’ in the sense you’re describing. They’re just trying to differentiate this movie from the prime timeline movies. Which I’m still questioning, because the past of the KT is the same as the past of the prime timeline.
They very easily could say otherwise in a new movie, though. The Flash had it's spaghetti scene to explain how one little change totally messed everything up. That's an extreme example, but something like that could be done for Trek, retconning it so it branched forwards and backwards. Off the top of my head, because so much of Trek's future relies on interference from the past they could use that and it would make as much sense as Genesis devices, Vulcan mind melds and Red Matter:shrug:

I'm expecting this movie to be a Bumblebee to the older Transformers live-action movies, or First Class to the original X-Men trilogy. If it's good, viewers will play along.
 
They very easily could say otherwise in a new movie, though. The Flash had it's spaghetti scene to explain how one little change totally messed everything up. That's an extreme example, but something like that could be done for Trek, retconning it so it branched forwards and backwards. Off the top of my head, because so much of Trek's future relies on interference from the past they could use that and it would make as much sense as Genesis devices, Vulcan mind melds and Red Matter:shrug:
Wasn't that what Simon Pegg said? Works for me.

At a most basic level, no one bats an eyelid at Nero being a Romulan and looking like a Vulcan. That's before you get into characters being the wrong ages etc.

The point is that it's a fun alt-universe where anything can happen and isn't bound by established Trek canon, so they can do whatever they like without worrying about some obscure episode from Enterprise's second season or whatever.

I'm expecting this movie to be a Bumblebee to the older Transformers live-action movies, or First Class to the original X-Men trilogy. If it's good, viewers will play along.
Yeah I'm expecting something similar. Hopefully it'll just be a good film that can have appeal to general audiences.
 
Yeah I'm expecting something similar. Hopefully it'll just be a good film that can have appeal to general audiences.
That my hope too. But admittedly, my faith in the writing was damaged somewhat when the plot of the planned Star Trek 4 came out, which recycled "Relics" to resurrect George Kirk from U.S.S. Kelvin wreckage 30 years later. Of all the things they could have done to bring him back, they chose the one that ruins his heroic sacrifice by making it not a sacrifice at all, because he planned to and beamed out at the last second.:eyeroll:

Different writers, different director. Hopefully, something fresh.
 
Wasn't that what Simon Pegg said? Works for me.

At a most basic level, no one bats an eyelid at Nero being a Romulan and looking like a Vulcan. That's before you get into characters being the wrong ages etc.

The point is that it's a fun alt-universe where anything can happen and isn't bound by established Trek canon, so they can do whatever they like without worrying about some obscure episode from Enterprise's second season or whatever.


Yeah I'm expecting something similar. Hopefully it'll just be a good film that can have appeal to general audiences.

Simon Pegg did say that. But there hasn't been anything seen or mentioned on screen that confirms his theory. Characters being the wrong ages is not automatic proof that the timeline changed both forwards and backwards.
 
That's true, although Discovery implies that the Kelvin timeline was a different dimension just like the Mirror Universe.

I'm not sure where DSC implies that. Kovich says the KT was created because of Nero's incursion, while the MU was implied to always be different (i.e. there wasn't any shared past or a time travel event that changed the timeline at a certain point.)
 
Simon Pegg did say that. But there hasn't been anything seen or mentioned on screen that confirms his theory. Characters being the wrong ages is not automatic proof that the timeline changed both forwards and backwards.
No, its all speculation really.

One thing to consider. If you changed the events of 2233 onwards, I would presume that every classic time travel adventure from that point also changes. It could be a timelime without City on the edge of Forever, Time's Arrow and even The Voyage home couldve played out differently. That's forgetting the complexities of a temporal cold war, if the Kelvin timelime even has one. Lots of little butterflies might have been unable to flap their wings.
 
From Matt Belloni's newsletter:

"Kinberg was already signed to reboot and shepherd the Star Trek franchise at Paramount. According to two sources, the new Trek script, by Seth Grahame-Smith, is done and on its way toward a green light, possibly by the end of the year, for a shoot in the first half of 2025. Toby Haynes (Andor) is directing the origin story, set well before the U.S.S. Enterprise era."
 
From Matt Belloni's newsletter:

"Kinberg was already signed to reboot and shepherd the Star Trek franchise at Paramount. According to two sources, the new Trek script, by Seth Grahame-Smith, is done and on its way toward a green light, possibly by the end of the year, for a shoot in the first half of 2025. Toby Haynes (Andor) is directing the origin story, set well before the U.S.S. Enterprise era."

I’ll believe it when I see actual production happening.
 
From Matt Belloni's newsletter:

"Kinberg was already signed to reboot and shepherd the Star Trek franchise at Paramount. According to two sources, the new Trek script, by Seth Grahame-Smith, is done and on its way toward a green light, possibly by the end of the year, for a shoot in the first half of 2025. Toby Haynes (Andor) is directing the origin story, set well before the U.S.S. Enterprise era."
Hmmmm, filming first half 2025...

Still more hopeful than I have been.
 
Holy shit!
It's still far from certain, though. Star Trek Into Oblivion was cast, had locations scouted and concept art, then was cancelled for the rushed Star Trek Beyond.

That title I'm not at all familiar with. Was that an actual proposed movie that didn't happen, or simply a title that someone made up?
 
That title I'm not at all familiar with. Was that an actual proposed movie that didn't happen, or simply a title that someone made up?
It was Orci's planned third Kelvin timeline movie, which would have been about Shatner coming back as Prime Kirk on a quest to restore the Prime Universe, with Kelvin Spock torn between his loyalties to the Kelvin Timeline and the opportunity to bring Vulcan back.
 
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