Bakula is 70 now, Archer was 49 when the Federation was founded, so......
"Star Trek Begins" - The 'Origins' Film Discussion
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Great! The Federation was founded in 2161 (mentioned canonically in TNG's "The Outcast" and ENT's "Zero Hour" and TATV). NX-01's retirement by a President Archer as the first scene in such a new origin series fits in the timeline perfectly.
CG reverse-aging has come a long way in recent years.
Good point. Memory Alpha does mention he was "one of the earliest Presidents", but not the first.If we go by the biography seen in In A Mirror Darkly*, Archer wasn't the first President.
*Not really considered canon as it wasn't legible on screen when it was aired.
Let's not forget.... as much as I absolutely adore Enterprise, The NX-01, Jonathan Archer, etc. They're not going to be a part of this film in any significant manner whatsoever.
Enterprise was a cancelled series that never broke into the mainstream. You ask someone on the street who Captain Kirk is? Odds are you're gonna get mention of Star Trek. You ask them who's Jonathan Archer? They're not gonna have a clue.
Paramount isn't gonna spend what little money they have on a film that could be considered an Enterprise movie. It's going to be about as removed from the NX-01 as they can possibly get. At best, you'll get some Easter egg of a name drop or something similar. Think something similar to "Admiral Archer's prized Beagle."
Enterprise was a cancelled series that never broke into the mainstream. You ask someone on the street who Captain Kirk is? Odds are you're gonna get mention of Star Trek. You ask them who's Jonathan Archer? They're not gonna have a clue.
Paramount isn't gonna spend what little money they have on a film that could be considered an Enterprise movie. It's going to be about as removed from the NX-01 as they can possibly get. At best, you'll get some Easter egg of a name drop or something similar. Think something similar to "Admiral Archer's prized Beagle."
Likely true.
Actually, it was legible. The problem was when it was written up, they weren't expecting it to be legible and therefore weren't concerned with information there that would be contradicted in later episodes, like Shran's status.
By the time they began writing the computer files Riker was reading about the Pegasus crew in TATV they began to realize it was possible it could be legible. Indeed, the file Riker lingers on in the episode even has something written there like "I wonder if this will be readable in HD? Who was this guy anyway and why is Riker taking so long on his file? How much more content do I need to provide to make this look complete? Blah dee blah blah blah."
I mean, it's really up to the writers to think of a new story to tell.
We didn't know about the Phoenix until they wrote First Contact.
It's pretty unimaginative to think there cannot possibly be a story worth telling within a hundred year period.
I'd also say that a film doesn't necessarily have to be about a "big event". Most people love Star Trek II, but the stakes are fairly low - the survival of the crew of the Enterprise.
If this film does happen in the era of Star Trek: Enterprise, I hope they use the same excuse to excuse them that the unmade Star Trek: The Beginning did: That they're on Risa and miss everything
THIS.
Something I hate of recent trek is that every movie, every season concerns at the very least the destruction of the federation, when not of the galaxy or the multiverse itself. Of the classic trek movies I think that happened only once, with the next highest stake being earth being at risk a couple of times.
Producer Talk: Doesn't look like Star Trek. It has to look like Star Trek.
If I remember somewhat correctly from Beta canon, the end of the first Earth/Romulan War during the ENTERPRISE era, is one of the major factors that led to the actual founding of the Federation.
Would be interesting to see how Earth's Starfleet managed to finally defeat the more powerful Romulan Empire of the that time and how the coalition that Archer started putting together, came to fruition.
Would probably end up being something similar to Babylon-5's ending, but with Star Trek imagery.
Would be interesting to see how Earth's Starfleet managed to finally defeat the more powerful Romulan Empire of the that time and how the coalition that Archer started putting together, came to fruition.
Would probably end up being something similar to Babylon-5's ending, but with Star Trek imagery.
I never said there's no story to tell. There's a big difference between a prequel and an origin movie. The origin of what? What's not been covered for there to be an origin film?
For this to be an "origin movie," that necessitates a big event, even if it's just for one character. I'm just asking, what has not been covered for this to be an origin event movie and not just a prequel?
The ship was being mothballed out the same time "Captain" Archer was giving his speech at the signing of the Federation.
No. If Archer's coming back, take into account that Bakula is 20 years older. Would be interesting to see an Admiral Archer, ambassador, politician, UFP President, or something like that in the 2180's.CG reverse-aging has come a long way in recent years.
Don't hold your breath. Even if this is a movie that takes place during that era, don't expect to see much of anything from Enterprise. It just doesn't have the cultural relevancy.
I'm not, I was just arguing against CGI face.
Just one thought - the first crewed earth ship to actually leave the solar system and reach a strange new world?
Quite literally the first 'Star Trek'.
Good brainstorming, this I would watch, especially if it makes the NX-01 look hyper futuristic and safe, this "first starship" being extremely risky and the voyage very dangerous, especially if the alien world is very hostile.
So now?
