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There’s no way The Voyage Home would have been made if fans had an effective veto.
To be fair, I went to a huge Trek convention a couple of months before ST4's release and everyone there was pretty on board with it.

A better example of something that a lot of Trek fans from the same timeframe were opposed to was TNG.
 
Yep - I remember back then the rumors swirling around about the next Trek movie doing something about wales (with Eddie Murphy, no less) and me thinking :wtf:

It was a mixed bag back then, but I think there was just simply general excitement about a new Trek project was more prevalent overall.

TNG's arrival was pretty much the same, IIRC. You would always have your detractors, saying the only true Trek movie was TMP or TWOK, just as you would have the party faithful who felt the only true Trek series was TOS and there was no room for anything new or innovative. They will always be the ridiculously vocal minority. The empty can rattles the loudest, as it were.

But yeah, this was all before the internet. Now? It would definitely be like ice-skating up-hill all the way to the summit.
 
RDM and some Trek writer alums pitched/brainstormed an idea of a theoretical Season 8 at the end of the "What We Left Behind" documentary. Here's the synopsis from FB:
One of the most compelling parts of "What We Left Behind" is watching the premiere of the hypothetical "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" season 8 mapped out. One of the documentary's most enjoyable repeat segments features former Deep Space Nine writers René Echeverria, Ron Moore, Hans Beimler and Robert Hewitt Wolfe forming a one-day writers' room in which they break an imagined season 8 premiere. By the sound of it, it would have been incredible unless you're a Nog fan. Nog is the focal point of the teaser that kicks off the writers' vision of season 8, which is set 20 years after the DS9 series finale: the Ferengi is now Captain Nog and he's in command of the U.S.S. Defiant attempting to outrun a cloaked ship that's attacking him. He just barely makes it through the wormhole and catches sight of Deep Space Nine before we cut to the station to see his ship burst into smithereens. Roll credits. His death sets off a mystery that promises to propel the entire season forward, especially when we find out who was attacking him, Section 31.

As "What We Left Behind" trumpeted, 'Deep Space Nine' was renowned for its eclectic cast of well-developed ancillary characters and Nog, played by Aron Eisenberg, was one of the most beloved. Nog enjoyed one of Ds9's most incredible character arcs: he began the series as Jake Sisko's friend on the Promenade but as they grew up together, Nog decided he wanted to become the first Ferengi in Starfleet. Nog earned the support of Jake's dad Captain Sisko, who was initially reluctant, but the young Ferengi continually proved himself in Starfleet while still providing comic relief along with the rest of his Ferengi family.

In the hypothetical Deep Space Nine season 8 premiere, two decades have passed since the events of "What You Leave Behind, and the landscape of the station and the lives of her former inhabitants are much changed. Kira's a Vedek, the station is a shrine, Miles is back on Earth teaching at Starfleet Academy, and Ezri and Julian are happily married and serving on a starship together. But what we find out in Act V of the finale, is that Section 31 is actively working to destabilize a Bajor that's growing as a military power. Who's in charge of that operation? Dr. Julian Bashir.

"Star Trek: Discovery" has made Section 31 the worst-kept secret in "Star Trek". The Federation's clandestine black-ops agency was teased in "Star Trek: Discovery" season 1, episode 3 "Context is King", but in season 2, the curtain has fallen on the supposedly mysterious agency all of the main characters now know about it.

Section 31 was introduced in "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" and has become that series' most enduring concept. Given how tumultuous the Alpha Quadrant is, it makes sense the United Federation of Planets would have its own intelligence agency similar to the Romulans' Tal Shiar and the Cardassians' Obsidian Order. The key difference is that when Section 31 first appeared on DS9, their existence was unknown even to high-ranking Starfleet officers like Captain Sisko. Section 31 operated autonomously and very few people in the Federation had even heard of it. This was also the case in the prequel series "Star Trek: Enterprise" set roughly 200 years before DS9 and a century before "Star Trek: Discovery"

And, of course, this was all done right before Aron Eisenberg passed. :(
 
What would a DS9 movie even be?
That was going to be my question. I don't know what even Behr and Moore could come up with that would do the show justice in two hours.

The most obvious thing is Sisko returning, as he promised Kasidy. But it's been 25 years now! Wouldn't missing his child's entire upbringing make him the epitome of the 'deadbeat dad' of which he was always designed to the exact opposite?

Better to leave it alone, and assume he came back a few weeks later to help Kas change the diapers. I don't think there's anything in canon that rules out him living a happy, quiet life on Bajor.
 
Ok.... Sisko's back. Now what? The God Captain?

I love DS9, but I think a DS9 movie makes even less sense than a Romulan War or Early Starfleet/Federation movie.

The ending of DS9 always seemed very definitive to me.
 
I don't see anything with Sisko ever happening, since Avery Brooks has gone on record (several times) that he has no intention of coming out of retirement to reprise the role. He's too busy enjoying jazz. :)

Now, if they blow their whole VFX budget and have an AI build a robo-Sisko replicant, to do both voice and visuals, with Brooks' blessings (still a tall order, I suspect), I suppose it's remotely possible. There are a lot of "what if's" with that scenario, though. I also suspect that Brooks would have "first right of refusal" on the script if they actually decided to take that route. Regardless if he wanted to play Sisko again or not I'm thinking he wouldn't want any kind of character assassination written into the show/movie that he would disapprove of.
 
The only way to do it would be a spiritual successor - new crew on the station, or a ship exploring the Gamma Quadrant with occasional visits.

Maaaaybe a rare cameo from Vedek Kira from time to time.
 
Such a show would run the risk of being too far separated from DS9. Could be good, don't get me wrong, but might as well start with a clean slate then.
 
Guys, I was being facetious. I am under no illusions that Paramount will ever make a DS9 film, nor do I think it’s in their best interest to do so, nor would I even know what it would be about. I was just making a comment about the unpopular subject matter of each film that they keep proposing.
 
SNW to the contrary, going back rather than forward is a hard lift. What does the technology look like. If it's too futuristic for the Trek period in question people will gripe about that. The same if it's too retro.
 
I don't think they'd get Nana Visitor on board if Kira were a vedek. She was very vocal in her disapproval when she heard that's what happened to the character in the novels.
I tend to agree with her.

Btw, her last canon appearance was in lower decks in the early 2380s and she was still a colonel and commanding the station then.
 
Ok.... Sisko's back. Now what? The God Captain?

I love DS9, but I think a DS9 movie makes even less sense than a Romulan War or Early Starfleet/Federation movie.

The ending of DS9 always seemed very definitive to me.
I'd honestly prefer it if the franchise just leaves the story of DS9 be. It told the tale it intended, it had a definitive ending. I don't think any sort of direct continuation would ever be satisfying, even if Ira got the DS9 writers back together.

And besides... there's too many of the cast gone now.
 
RDM and some Trek writer alums pitched/brainstormed an idea of a theoretical Season 8 at the end of the "What We Left Behind" documentary. Here's the synopsis from FB:


And, of course, this was all done right before Aron Eisenberg passed. :(

As a huge fan of DS9, that story idea sounds like the opposite of incredible to me.
 
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