RTD makes up all kinds of stuff. That was never established in the old series.
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RTD makes up all kinds of stuff. That was never established in the old series.
Another explanation could be that after their brief attempt at being a goody got them shot in the back they just figured "the heck with it" and returned to their old ways. I say "brief attempt" as we don't know how long the Missy incarnation lasted. Their turn to the good side may have been a very tiny moment in that self's existence.
They've been a baddie for about 19* incarnations with a small blip of good near the end of the 19th's life. The 20th returning to their old ways after an unrewarding flirtation with good really isn't that far fetched.
*original life cycle, the 2 body snatchings we know of, and at least 4 incarnations into the resurrected life cycle.
Muss was in the Vault for at least 70 years-ish, it looks like.
So even for a Time Lord a bit more than an extended Weekend.
So even for a Time Lord a bit more than an extended Weekend.
I believe he said it to explain why the Pete's World alternate universe didn't have an alternate Doctor (or anyone the Doctor could call for help with his busted TARDIS).
Unless and until they (or more likely BF) do a story filling in the gap, it seems more likely to me that this is the second post0Missy incarnation - we saw with Romana II that a Timey has to consciously choose to copy someone, and since she was stuck on the Mondasian worldship when she died.... An incarnation between Simm and Missy is also theoretically possible, but no doubt they'll want to refer back to her at some point so that's unlikely.
I just can't believe that a universe without Timelords would turn out even remotely similar given what we know of their involvement in everything. Especially as we know there was an alternative version of Torchwood, and Torchwood only exists as a result of the Doctor's actions.
The chance of having the exact same sperm meet the exact same egg to produce the exact same child for generation after generation is zero, even without events interferring
Yep, 12 regenerations means 13 incarnations, 12+12 means 25, 3x12 = 37, and so on...
One story that I thought would be fun/cool would be to bring back a classic Doctor who was clearly aged. The idea being they were from a parallel universe but didn't regenerate at the same point (i.e., lived longer in that incarnation in the other universe than in our own). Would be a way to bring back a classic Doctor while addressing the aging issue.
As mentioned, RTD stated it in an interview when asked if there were Time Lords or a Doctor in Pete's World. Granted, it's not on screen, so there's no reason to adhere to it outside of how deep Chibnall's loyalty to RTD is.
It was an idea I had (or saw, who knows anymore) for how to do a big multi-Doctor anniversary story; alternate timeline Doctors that had never regenerated (also a fun way to mix and match companions, maybe with tiny little "Turn Left"-style flashbacks showing, I don't know, the Fourth Doctor meeting Martha on the moon, or Nine cracking Oswin Oswald out of a Dalek case or whatever).
That was roughly the idea behind The Dark Dimension; by ensuring the fourth Doctor's survival the villain had created an alternate reality.
I figured it probably wasn't an original idea (if those even exist)! All of those ideas sound fun!
Not to mention a huge chunk of eighth Doctor book canon depends on the Doctor dying on his way back from metebelis three. It was quite an arc.
I rewatched the episode in preparation for today's conclusion and here's a few more observations:
Watching Sacha Dwahan's performance this time, knowing he was actually The Master, reinterprets a lot of his interactions with The Doctor, most notably his many facial reactions to The Doctor's words and actions. Before, it seemed like it was O in awe of who The Doctor is, but now it feels like The Master cheerfully amused how The Doctor is handling things.
Someone asked a day or two ago about the inventory of the spy gadgets they received from C and whether any of it would save them and the answer is yes: Rocket cuff links! The only remaining question is whether Yaz is wearing any and I suspect she isn't considering she also wasn't wearing a bowtie (boo). Time for Ryan to be a hero!
I noticed this last time around but forgot to mention, but the silhouette of the aliens facing them directly reminded me of The Fourth Doctor's profile when he wore his floppy fedora. Purely coincidental, I'm sure, especially since their side silhouette looks more like the Predator.
Watching Sacha Dwahan's performance this time, knowing he was actually The Master, reinterprets a lot of his interactions with The Doctor, most notably his many facial reactions to The Doctor's words and actions. Before, it seemed like it was O in awe of who The Doctor is, but now it feels like The Master cheerfully amused how The Doctor is handling things.
Someone asked a day or two ago about the inventory of the spy gadgets they received from C and whether any of it would save them and the answer is yes: Rocket cuff links! The only remaining question is whether Yaz is wearing any and I suspect she isn't considering she also wasn't wearing a bowtie (boo). Time for Ryan to be a hero!
I noticed this last time around but forgot to mention, but the silhouette of the aliens facing them directly reminded me of The Fourth Doctor's profile when he wore his floppy fedora. Purely coincidental, I'm sure, especially since their side silhouette looks more like the Predator.
Actually, I asked if any of the spy gear would save them from the plane crash. It didn't.
And the rocket cufflinks did bugger all either - it was all laser shoes baby.
And the rocket cufflinks did bugger all either - it was all laser shoes baby.
So was the conclusion as good as part 1, or did Chibs contract Moffatitis?
There’s like a tiny glimmer of something there, but frankly it’s like watching someone do an impression of Who gone by.
(Also, Sacha is a bit short, and they seem to be pushing that. The Victorian garb was an utter failure, and looked as bad as smiths Scrooge outfit way back when, and he was a very short Nazi in a very big hat. When you can’t fight, wear a big hat.)
When you get to the point where it’s borrowing from Comic Relief sketches, you have to worry. (The Master took the long way through the 20th Century, and didn’t once try to fix any of his other failures? I think he lived through the time periods in which literally every other earth based appearance occurred.) The spy gadgets were sub CBBC, Lenny’s character killed his mum...because...erm...because he’s a villain. Then he...exits, adding another antagonist absolutely not getting caught under this Doctor.
A The Guardian article on women inventors provides the supporting cast with no rhyme or reason, but that’s ok, because they get mind wiped exactly like all those other times it happened to historical figures (actually...nope, it didn’t happen to Van Gogh, it didn’t happen to H.G Wells, it didn’t happen to...you get the idea.) and the Doctor of course weaponises Nazi racism to take down the Master (There’s good reason the show didn’t touch Nazis often in the classic era, and I think it still hasn’t got the hang of it...) So that’s perfectly fine then.
Oh...Gallifrey is destroyed. Again. Only this time the Master did it, because of some other Evil from the Dawn of Time in their history. But then, this was RTD tribute hour, with a straight redo of the Tardis Team on the run from when the Master was Saxon. At this point, it would be giving the production team too much credit to wonder if they were doing another take on the ‘two masters’ story, and maybe Barton is also the Master.
Thing is, that kind of thing. Is usually something I find interesting, but the idea the Master is doing nasty things to get attention from the Doctor for some other thing they would both be against has also been done before, and it’s...not flying so well here. Especially post-Missy, who did all the same things, only better.
It’s like watching fan-fiction on YouTube.
I can’t complain about Yaz not getting any meat, because none of the Tardis Team (fam? Really? Not since Battlefield has someone so spectacularly failed in their use of working class colloquial speech. Shame.) got anything to do, and we got two interesting historical figures as temps. (Because that worked so well in Dinosaurs on a Spaceship. Actually it worked better than here, probably because there was someone else in charge.)
We are fully eighties retro I see, because the next episode features odd hairstyle choices that being to mind Terminus and Paradise Towers. There’s also more than a little mid Anthony Ainley under the Simm, which once upon a a time I would have found pleasantly nostalgic, but now it’s just....meh.
And how many Deus Ex Machinas and unresolved things can you fit in an episode before someone notices?
(Also, Sacha is a bit short, and they seem to be pushing that. The Victorian garb was an utter failure, and looked as bad as smiths Scrooge outfit way back when, and he was a very short Nazi in a very big hat. When you can’t fight, wear a big hat.)
When you get to the point where it’s borrowing from Comic Relief sketches, you have to worry. (The Master took the long way through the 20th Century, and didn’t once try to fix any of his other failures? I think he lived through the time periods in which literally every other earth based appearance occurred.) The spy gadgets were sub CBBC, Lenny’s character killed his mum...because...erm...because he’s a villain. Then he...exits, adding another antagonist absolutely not getting caught under this Doctor.
A The Guardian article on women inventors provides the supporting cast with no rhyme or reason, but that’s ok, because they get mind wiped exactly like all those other times it happened to historical figures (actually...nope, it didn’t happen to Van Gogh, it didn’t happen to H.G Wells, it didn’t happen to...you get the idea.) and the Doctor of course weaponises Nazi racism to take down the Master (There’s good reason the show didn’t touch Nazis often in the classic era, and I think it still hasn’t got the hang of it...) So that’s perfectly fine then.
Oh...Gallifrey is destroyed. Again. Only this time the Master did it, because of some other Evil from the Dawn of Time in their history. But then, this was RTD tribute hour, with a straight redo of the Tardis Team on the run from when the Master was Saxon. At this point, it would be giving the production team too much credit to wonder if they were doing another take on the ‘two masters’ story, and maybe Barton is also the Master.
Thing is, that kind of thing. Is usually something I find interesting, but the idea the Master is doing nasty things to get attention from the Doctor for some other thing they would both be against has also been done before, and it’s...not flying so well here. Especially post-Missy, who did all the same things, only better.
It’s like watching fan-fiction on YouTube.
I can’t complain about Yaz not getting any meat, because none of the Tardis Team (fam? Really? Not since Battlefield has someone so spectacularly failed in their use of working class colloquial speech. Shame.) got anything to do, and we got two interesting historical figures as temps. (Because that worked so well in Dinosaurs on a Spaceship. Actually it worked better than here, probably because there was someone else in charge.)
We are fully eighties retro I see, because the next episode features odd hairstyle choices that being to mind Terminus and Paradise Towers. There’s also more than a little mid Anthony Ainley under the Simm, which once upon a a time I would have found pleasantly nostalgic, but now it’s just....meh.
And how many Deus Ex Machinas and unresolved things can you fit in an episode before someone notices?
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