News Spock has already been cast

[Greg Cox]

I thought the word "retcon" was created to specifically describe how Doctor Who would loosely change past continuity series to series and season to season.
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I believe the word originated with comic books, with reference to later writers and artists going back to tweak a character's origin or continuity, with the changes then assumed to have always been in place. I remember it being used in Marvel Comics letter pages back in the seventies.

As in "Tony Stark was originally injured in Viet Nam, but that's been retconned so that now he was injured in the Middle East instead."

None of this stuff is set in stone.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think the word originated with comic books, with reference to later writers and artists going back to tweak a character's origin or continuity, with the changes then assumed to have always been in place. I remember it being using in Marvel Comics letter pages back in the seventies.

IIRC, it was Roy Thomas who coined the term as shorthand for "retroactive continuity".

 

[Greg Cox]

IIRC, it was Roy Thomas who coined the term as shorthand for "retroactive continuity".

That's my memory, too. Specifically with reference to his run on THE RAMPAGING HULK.

 

[Nerys Myk]

He made great use of it in the Invaders and later the All-Star Squadron.

 

[TrickyDickie]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroactive_continuity

 

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

I was already being "that guy," so bring it on.

Good point, although I've been seeing it used, more and more often, to refer to the present and future as well.

"Big news! Gal Gadot was just casted as Wonder Woman!"

"So-and-So should be casted as Captain Iguana!"

"Who do you think will be casted as Spock?"

Makes my skin crawl.

The current usage is specific to the entertainment industry with respect to the casting process. "The cast has now been casted" rather than "the cast has now been cast." It's actually an archaic form rather than a neologism. I certainly agree that it sounds a bit funny to the unaccustomed ear, though.

http://grammarist.com/usage/casted/

"An historical"....instead of the correct "a historical".

That kind of stuff has been advancing since the 80s and it's very annoying.

While mostly an affectation today, that one originates from the past as well, specifically times and places where the initial "h" sound would have been commonly dropped.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/usage/a-historic-event-or-an-historic-event

I thought the word "retcon" was created to specifically describe how Doctor Who would loosely change past continuity series to series and season to season.

I believe the word originated with comic books, with reference to later writers and artists going back to tweak a character's origin or continuity, with the changes then assumed to have always been in place. I remember it being used in Marvel Comics letter pages back in the seventies.

As in "Tony Stark was originally injured in Viet Nam, but that's been retconned so that now he was injured in the Middle East instead."

None of this stuff is set in stone.

IIRC, it was Roy Thomas who coined the term as shorthand for "retroactive continuity".

Roy Thomas indeed coined the term "retroactive continuity" but it was apparently Damian Cugley who first shortened it to "retcon" and it initially referred to making new revelations that re-contextualized and altered the meaning and interpretation of past stories but in such a way that the original text could still stand. Its usage of course has expanded since then, as is only natural.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.comics/x_9N8KL0NDc/lgcGfP8-eUUJ

The Cybermen for example, they long established a female Cyberman would look the same as a male one, then out of nowhere they created a female design with breasts, and then they ignored that.

You're talking about that Torchwood episode, right? The titular "Cyberwoman" looked like that because she had only been half-converted.

I don't remember a lot of visual retcons in Who. When the old things are revisited, they usually look pretty much like they originally did. There were recently old school Cybermen and K-9 looked the same in nuWho as he did in the original. Make up techniques certainly have improved, but Martians and Sontarans basically look just as dumb as they originally did.

There are usually at least subtle differences and refinements. Surely with improved makeup techniques, if they wanted to, they could duplicate the originals exactly in every detail...but instead they seek to flesh them out and better them. Any difference between what DW and Trek have done in this vein is more a quantitative than qualitative one.

-MMoM

 

[Mudd]

The one big Marvel exception to the retconned timeline is Captain America. His point of origin in time is fixed in World War II; the further forward you move his unfreezing the more he becomes Buck Rogers. The world into which he first reawakened in the comics was one where he'd lost twenty years; the Times Square in which Chris Evans found himself could have been a whole other planet.

 

[TrickyDickie]

Buck Rogers

Which is another example of many changes over the years. It was 2419 and then 2491. Gases in a cave and then gases out in space in something like a space shuttle....just to name a couple off the top of my head.

 

[DaveyNY]

Anybody wanna take a guess as to when They will actually announce one way or another, who has been hired?

I'm thinking perhaps during the Las Vegas Con.

 

[Red Panda]

Perhaps they didn't announce it at SDCC because they want to show the actor in costume, and the actor's not been available to do fittings and a shoot. So then what could the actor be doing in July 2018, that may or may not be why production was scheduled to take a break? (Spock is a big enough character to delay production for, and even shoot some short films whilst you wait.)

So maybe the actor is busy doing a theatre production or movie, or another TV series that wraps up in a few weeks?

 

[TrickyDickie]

I'm sure that the slashfickers can't wait, because they want to know....

Who will Anson mount?

 

[thribs]

The bigger question...

Why is Anson Mount?

 

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

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[Kane_Steel]

I've been thinking who is a known tall, nerdy actor who could play a convincing Lt. Spock.

Martin Starr (Freaks and Geeks, Spider-man Homecoming, Silicon Valley) is a name that came to mind.

His low deadpan voice and delivery could work.

 

[Nyotarules]

Yeah. Those are not really out of the control situations. He is showing some some normal human emotions very briefly, which is understandable as he is after all half human. I'm talking about going totally psycho like in ST:09.

Please remind me, did that ever happen to Prime Spock without some sort of external influence? I mean did he ever go totally nuts because mere pressure of the situation, when not drugged, or sick etc? I don't remember it happening, but maybe I'm wrong?

Prime Spock never witnessed his mother's murder or the death of his entire race and planet when he was a young Vulcan of 28 years old. And based on the The Cage he did not have all his emotions repressed either.

There are lots and lots and lots of Catholics who don't want to board themselves up in monasteries and be celibate their whole lives.

If most of the membership did this the church would die in 1 generation lol

As diverse as any other race in Star Trek?

Its not logical to base the diversity of an entire race of billions based on a few members. Makes as much sense as assuming most of Star Trek humanity most be North American males based on what the tv show displayed

 

[Firebird]

Perhaps they didn't announce it at SDCC because they want to show the actor in costume, and the actor's not been available to do fittings and a shoot.

For something like a new Spock, I can see them waiting until the episode airs to shoot that wad, like they tried to do with the Enterprise last season.

So then what could the actor be doing in July 2018, that may or may not be why production was scheduled to take a break? (Spock is a big enough character to delay production for, and even shoot some short films whilst you wait.)

TV productions regularly schedule shooting breaks at midpoint during the shooting schedule these days. An actor's availability doesn't dictate the entire production having to take an unplanned and very expensive shutdown, unless you're Elizabeth Taylor in Cleopatra.

 

[matthunter]

Yep, and even in the reboot movie, Spock Prime recognizes Chris Pine as Kirk. The assumption is that Kirk always looks like Kirk, even when the part has been recast.

Whilst that's likely what they were going for, it gets a bit murky when dealing with a partially telepathic species - perhaps Spock "sees" Kirk's "katra" or "mind-print" regardless of any superficial physical differences?

 

[johnnybear]

Wait. There are people who actually believe that? I've never heard that theory in all my decades in fandom. The original episode makes it clear that Kirk and Co. have traded places with their counterparts in a parallel reality, not that they created an alternate timeline or whatever. Of course the MU existed before Kirk got accidentally transported there. I never thought there was any question about that.

Weird.

You better believe it, Greg! I have read it on other forums and places that it was the Ion storm which not only propelled Kirk's away team into another reality but that it created it as well! My interest is purely TOS in this regard so any previous mucking around with the MU didn't happen and must be another alternate MU anyways!
JB

 

[johnnybear]

That was supposed to be a reboot so that’s a slightly different scenario. Space Show Discovery is supposed to be in the Prime universe.

But it ain't!
JB

 

[Tuskin38]

But it ain't!
JB

In your opinion, but not in fact.