I'm hoping for sooner than later. In my galaxy TrekWriters would be showered with great wealth and universal respect. ok - in my galaxy there'd be no Borg either . . . no - that is NOT Margaret Clark pounding on my door . . .
Spock and Uhura [SPOILERS]
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I'm hoping for sooner than later. In my galaxy TrekWriters would be showered with great wealth and universal respect. ok - in my galaxy there'd be no Borg either . . . no - that is NOT Margaret Clark pounding on my door . . .
Well, it still sucked.
Sucked face, you mean...
It looks like I'm the only one who says NO NO NO to any publicly displayed Spock romance because it is just too far strayed from TOS canon and I don't think the change is for the good.
I can handle some change in Trek and don't want to see the same thing over and over again but there is a certain psychological appeal to the old Spock that is being overlooked in favor of making him extra "hot".
Is this the same Spock who said in The Naked Time that "I never told my mother that I loved her", "I was ashamed of my Earth mother (and the feelings she represented)" and "I've spent my whole life hiding my feelings"? Here we see him publicly displaying affection by kissing a woman? Would not have happened in TOS. I could accept that the writers might want Spock to correct some of the mistakes of his past, but there was an appeal to him struggling with his emotions that is being overlooked.
TOS Spock's appeal goes well beyond being hot for the ladies. He also appealed to anyone struggling with their feelings. Adolescents drew inspiration from him to get through turbulent times. Scientists, computer geeks, nerdy intellectuals gravitiated to him because he was a loner struggling to repress his feelings in favor of being pure logic. He was also a loner because he didn't fit in anywhere - a feeling almost everyone experiences at some point in their lives, and many drew inspiration to persevere through those times from him. He appealed to the bi-racial, multicultural folks out there who felt torn and different. He appealed to those who were not yet comfortable with their sexuality, yet could not just ignore it (made him even hotter).
Making Spock so human, and so accepting of emotion that he would kiss Uhura publicly makes him too normal and well adjusted. Spock needs to be different, torn, uncomfortable with his feelings, struggling internally, psychologically unbalanced etc. He needs to be the one who secretly longs to be loved but simply cannot express this -- yet. He is logic over passion embodied but he struggles with this and we only rarely get glimpses of that struggle.
Not sure how the Spock/Uhura thing advanced the plot at all. For me it only served to mess up what TOS Spock and Vulcans represented, and the appeal that the Old Spock and Old Vulcans had for many. What will they do if they bring in Chapel? Another thing being overlooked is Spock's extremely high principles and commoitment to them. He wants to be a pure Vulcan, thinks their way is vastly superior to the human way, and has committed to it, a commitment the Old Spock would never take lightly. Guess I'm very uncomfortable with Spock showing emotion and any episode of TOS where he did always made us uncomfortable.
I can handle some change in Trek and don't want to see the same thing over and over again but there is a certain psychological appeal to the old Spock that is being overlooked in favor of making him extra "hot".
Is this the same Spock who said in The Naked Time that "I never told my mother that I loved her", "I was ashamed of my Earth mother (and the feelings she represented)" and "I've spent my whole life hiding my feelings"? Here we see him publicly displaying affection by kissing a woman? Would not have happened in TOS. I could accept that the writers might want Spock to correct some of the mistakes of his past, but there was an appeal to him struggling with his emotions that is being overlooked.
TOS Spock's appeal goes well beyond being hot for the ladies. He also appealed to anyone struggling with their feelings. Adolescents drew inspiration from him to get through turbulent times. Scientists, computer geeks, nerdy intellectuals gravitiated to him because he was a loner struggling to repress his feelings in favor of being pure logic. He was also a loner because he didn't fit in anywhere - a feeling almost everyone experiences at some point in their lives, and many drew inspiration to persevere through those times from him. He appealed to the bi-racial, multicultural folks out there who felt torn and different. He appealed to those who were not yet comfortable with their sexuality, yet could not just ignore it (made him even hotter).
Making Spock so human, and so accepting of emotion that he would kiss Uhura publicly makes him too normal and well adjusted. Spock needs to be different, torn, uncomfortable with his feelings, struggling internally, psychologically unbalanced etc. He needs to be the one who secretly longs to be loved but simply cannot express this -- yet. He is logic over passion embodied but he struggles with this and we only rarely get glimpses of that struggle.
Not sure how the Spock/Uhura thing advanced the plot at all. For me it only served to mess up what TOS Spock and Vulcans represented, and the appeal that the Old Spock and Old Vulcans had for many. What will they do if they bring in Chapel? Another thing being overlooked is Spock's extremely high principles and commoitment to them. He wants to be a pure Vulcan, thinks their way is vastly superior to the human way, and has committed to it, a commitment the Old Spock would never take lightly. Guess I'm very uncomfortable with Spock showing emotion and any episode of TOS where he did always made us uncomfortable.
Spock and Uhara
At first, I thought it was going to be some kind of romantic feelings between Spock and Uhara that they never had a chance to act on with Spock being a serious Vulcan. But by the way the movie was portraying the relationship, they've already acted on those feelings and nearing the end of the movie, they had no problem of showing it publicly.
What do you think?
At first, I thought it was going to be some kind of romantic feelings between Spock and Uhara that they never had a chance to act on with Spock being a serious Vulcan. But by the way the movie was portraying the relationship, they've already acted on those feelings and nearing the end of the movie, they had no problem of showing it publicly.
What do you think?
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Re: What do you think about the Spock and Uhara romance?
I thought it was a little undercooked, and like you said, sort of vague. It was at first unclear if there was something developing or if they were in a relationship already.
Don't have a problem in concept, but the execution was lacking a little bit.
I thought it was a little undercooked, and like you said, sort of vague. It was at first unclear if there was something developing or if they were in a relationship already.
Don't have a problem in concept, but the execution was lacking a little bit.
Re: What do you think about the Spock and Uhara romance?
Discussion underway here:
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Discussion underway here:
http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=91401
Re: What do you think about the Spock and Uhara romance?
This was one of my out of left field aspects of the movie I questioned. I don't have a problem with the way it was portrayed, I thought they did it pretty well. I just question why they needed to include it in the first place. It just doesn't add up somehow other than a way to show how distraught Spock is beneath his cool Vulcan demeanor.
This was one of my out of left field aspects of the movie I questioned. I don't have a problem with the way it was portrayed, I thought they did it pretty well. I just question why they needed to include it in the first place. It just doesn't add up somehow other than a way to show how distraught Spock is beneath his cool Vulcan demeanor.
Re: What do you think about the Spock and Uhara romance?
I'm not feeling it yet. I hope it is expanded on in the next movie.
I'm not feeling it yet. I hope it is expanded on in the next movie.
Re: What do you think about the Spock and Uhara romance?
You beat me to it.
Joe Washington: Search is your friend.
You beat me to it.
Joe Washington: Search is your friend.
Re: What do you think about the Spock and Uhara romance?
Well I love how these new threads just pop up every minute because it gives me a chance to say again that I find it repulsive and JUST WRONG.
Apparently, I'm in the minority on this board and everyone I've asked in real life....but this is my opinion...and why can't Bones get some ass for cripes sake...? Now that would be logical !
Well I love how these new threads just pop up every minute because it gives me a chance to say again that I find it repulsive and JUST WRONG.
Apparently, I'm in the minority on this board and everyone I've asked in real life....but this is my opinion...and why can't Bones get some ass for cripes sake...? Now that would be logical !
Re: What do you think about the Spock and Uhara romance?
It's a shout-out to something that was hinted at in the TOS episode Charlie X, where some very playful flirting between Uhura and Spock was going on in the rec room. The fact that Spock actually smiled along with Uhura in that scene allowed the writers of nuTrek to build upon that hint and run with it. As such, a Spock/Uhura romance certainly did not come out of left field.
It's a shout-out to something that was hinted at in the TOS episode Charlie X, where some very playful flirting between Uhura and Spock was going on in the rec room. The fact that Spock actually smiled along with Uhura in that scene allowed the writers of nuTrek to build upon that hint and run with it. As such, a Spock/Uhura romance certainly did not come out of left field.
Re: What do you think about the Spock and Uhara romance?
I loved it!!! To me it added a little bit of romance to a very good movie. You can really tell that they really truly care for each other. Even though, Spock is Vulcan, he shows his emotions just enough for us to know what is going on. I too loved the scene on the transporter. Kirks face is priceless!
I loved it!!! To me it added a little bit of romance to a very good movie. You can really tell that they really truly care for each other. Even though, Spock is Vulcan, he shows his emotions just enough for us to know what is going on. I too loved the scene on the transporter. Kirks face is priceless!
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Bones obviously did - and all it left him was his bones...
Bones obviously did - and all it left him was his bones...
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Re: What do you think about the Spock and Uhara romance?
Loved it, it was perhaps my favourite element of the film that I hadn't anticipated based upon the trailers and other pre-release material. It would've been nice if it'd been fleshed out a little further, as with most of the character elements, but given the time constraints and the ground they had to cover the filmmakers did admirable work.
"... like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500."
Loved it, it was perhaps my favourite element of the film that I hadn't anticipated based upon the trailers and other pre-release material. It would've been nice if it'd been fleshed out a little further, as with most of the character elements, but given the time constraints and the ground they had to cover the filmmakers did admirable work.
"... like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500."
Re: What do you think about the Spock and Uhara romance?
It is fine, the TOS showed that there was some flirtation there.
It is fine, the TOS showed that there was some flirtation there.
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All he gets are shapeshifters.
I like Spock/Uhura.
All he gets are shapeshifters.
I like Spock/Uhura.
What a pleasant surprise. In hindsight, the hint of Uhura and Spock having more than meeting of the minds has been present, but that turbolift really sealed the deal. And what a great reveal that has been. One of my many favorite moments. She provides compassion in that poignant scene, and he finds comfort in her embrace after his tragic loss. This new Spock bares his human soul, no longer hiding behind that stoic Vulcan logic. I love it. And that scene at the transporter...when both Uhura and Spock are entwined in a farewell embrace and kiss, while Kirk and Scotty look on with surprise...priceless!
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