Spinoff....

[fireproof78]

Huh? In lookingh at te TNG sets it felt like I was watching ST:TMP since they reused everythin g fromm the TOS Feature films. The timeframe was supposeed to be vague - and it wasn't until some fans got anal and wanted to have te 'date' officially set that ST:TMP added "In the 23rd Century."

As for the costuming comparison, give me a break. Until ENT NOTHING had pockets and that was honestly ridiculous. The propuction value and costuming of the Kurtzman era makes TNG look threadbare.

TNG looked poor in comparison to TOS. The style language was very 80s, aside from having the blue uniform like in TMP. The reuse of sets between TOS films and TNG didn't help matters either, especially with TUC.

The 32nd century uniforms feel like the future informed by the cultures of the setting.

 

[HotRod]

Cheap production doesnt want to pay for regular lighting for the bridges I guess.

There is absolutely nothing cheap about current Star Trek productions.

It matters is that we can no longer tell just by looking at the sets and design.

I guess you're just not paying attention. I've got no problem whatsoever telling the differences between the different productions.

Little details like that are glaring to a trek fan.

Only the crazy and obsessive ones.

 

[TRON JA307020]

There is absolutely nothing cheap about current Star Trek productions.

I guess you're just not paying attention. I've got no problem whatsoever telling the differences between the different productions.

Only the crazy and obsessive ones.

So you don't agree so you insult? Smh.

Putting neon lighting in to light the bridges other sets is cheap in my opinon. Its in the 23rd, 25th and 32nd centuries. I guess neon lighting is the pinnacle of lighting. Its as bad as lighting directors using miniature lights on tv show to try and make sets look more interesting.

 

[fireproof78]

I guess you're just not paying attention. I've got no problem whatsoever telling the differences between the different productions.

This. The design language feels very evocative of different aspects. SNW is clearly TOS and that isn't hard to see. 32nd Century feels like a mash up of Bajoran, Starfleet, and Romulan. My only objection to that era is the use of rank insignia, and the shape of the comm badges.

 

[ichab]

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Id rather do the legacy series with 7 as captain and move the timeline forward. Between the Kelvin movies, Discovery and SNW, weve seen enough of that era . I dont want another series of Kirk, Spock and McCoy. Been there and done that many times. Lets chart new territory.

 

[Mudd]

I don't ever want to see the 25th+ centuries again. They're replicative fading.

 

[Dukhat]

These days it doesn't really matter what time period a Star Trek show takes place in, because it all looks the same, with roughly the same technology.

 

[Nerys Myk]

These days it doesn't really matter what time period a Star Trek show takes place in, because it all looks the same, with roughly the same technology.

These days???? That’s been true since ‘87.

 

[Dukhat]

These days???? That’s been true since ‘87.

That’s because the Star Trek universe is a static one that changes very little over time.

 

[XCV330]

That’s because the Star Trek universe is a static one that changes very little over time.

Expectations of fans and constantly trying to find magic in an old formula prevent them from ever trying anything new. At least with a sci-fi show like Foundation that's actually part of the plot. Star Trek is also afraid of loss. They had it, a bit with the Dominion War and Borg incursions. The destruction of Romulus and even Vulcan doesn't matter because at heart the show is mostly about humans. Discovery COULD have shown loss after 1000 years of mostly-war, loss of travel, and shortages, but again it just felt like Discovery located the pause button and all was well without much difficulty.

I do give credit for SNW trying to be, in part, about the Federation citizens dealing with things post-Klingon-War, whereas Discovery just zipped away from it all. In some ways SNW feels like the continuation of Discovery and Discovery season 3+ is the oddball spinoff.

 

[Dar70]

So you don't agree so you insult? Smh.

Putting neon lighting in to light the bridges other sets is cheap in my opinon. Its in the 23rd, 25th and 32nd centuries. I guess neon lighting is the pinnacle of lighting. Its as bad as lighting directors using miniature lights on tv show to try and make sets look more interesting.

They don't use neon light on Star Trek anymore or incandescent bulbs....

 

[Campe]

Correct. The lights are all LED. You want neon lights? Look at the Berman era.

 

[ichab]

Expectations of fans and constantly trying to find magic in an old formula prevent them from ever trying anything new. At least with a sci-fi show like Foundation that's actually part of the plot. Star Trek is also afraid of loss. They had it, a bit with the Dominion War and Borg incursions. The destruction of Romulus and even Vulcan doesn't matter because at heart the show is mostly about humans. Discovery COULD have shown loss after 1000 years of mostly-war, loss of travel, and shortages, but again it just felt like Discovery located the pause button and all was well without much difficulty.

I do give credit for SNW trying to be, in part, about the Federation citizens dealing with things post-Klingon-War, whereas Discovery just zipped away from it all. In some ways SNW feels like the continuation of Discovery and Discovery season 3+ is the oddball spinoff.

That was always my biggest beef with Voyager. They didnt stay true to the original premise. A ship stranded that far from home should not look pristine clean every week. Year of hell was the closest we got to any realism and they killed it with the reset button. Basically what we got was TNG in the Delta Quadrant. Enterprise didn't stay true to its premise either withe temporal cold war, ferengi and borg. I really wish Berman had passed the torch to someone else after TNG. Ira Behr or Ronald Moore would have ran those shows better and given us something different.

 

[eschaton]

That was always my biggest beef with Voyager. They didnt stay true to the original premise. A ship stranded that far from home should not look pristine clean every week. Year of hell was the closest we got to any realism and they killed it with the reset button. Basically what we got was TNG in the Delta Quadrant. Enterprise didn't stay true to its premise either withe temporal cold war, ferengi and borg. I really wish Berman had passed the torch to someone else after TNG. Ira Behr or Ronald Moore would have ran those shows better and given us something different.

There was a huge tension between what was initially conceived of in the series bible and what the studio wanted. With TNG ending, UPN just wanted "moar TNG" - which resulted in anything which could've made the show unique (like the Starfleet-Maquis conflict) toned down pretty much immediately.

 

[Dukhat]

There was a huge tension between what was initially conceived of in the series bible and what the studio wanted. With TNG ending, UPN just wanted "moar TNG" - which resulted in anything which could've made the show unique (like the Starfleet-Maquis conflict) toned down pretty much immediately.

Pretty much this. UPN, being a fledgling new network, really had no clue how the show should have gone (which continued with ENT.) They were not willing to take risks or deviate from the status quo, unlike, say, DS9. And that was mainly because VOY was not syndicated, and TNG/DS9 was. Those shows didn't have incompetent network executives fucking around with things.

 

[Noname Given]

Pretty much this. UPN, being a fledgling new network, really had no clue how the show should have gone (which continued with ENT.) They were not willing to take risks or deviate from the status quo, unlike, say, DS9. And that was mainly because VOY was not syndicated, and TNG/DS9 was. Those shows didn't have incompetent network executives fucking around with things.

WRT DS9 I believe Ira Steven Behr and Ron Moore did continue to get notes from Rick Berman and Paramount with edicts like 'Don't heavily serialize...', etc. that they replied with "okay. got it...", then pretty much ignored and figured if anyone ultimately gave them grief about it, they'd deal with it then, but yeah, they weren't receiving as much notice from the Suits as VOY was.

 

[eschaton]

Pretty much this. UPN, being a fledgling new network, really had no clue how the show should have gone (which continued with ENT.) They were not willing to take risks or deviate from the status quo, unlike, say, DS9. And that was mainly because VOY was not syndicated, and TNG/DS9 was. Those shows didn't have incompetent network executives fucking around with things.

I also think it's worth noting that VOY did try to do the whole light serialization thing in Season 2 with the whole ingoing Kazon/Seska/Suder arc. It went over horribly (mostly because it was bad) and they never bothered with it again.

 

[TRON JA307020]

They don't use neon light on Star Trek anymore or incandescent bulbs....

Correct. The lights are all LED. You want neon lights? Look at the Berman era.

Led strip lighting that look neon. Doesn't change the fact that the set and lighting designer isnt changing much in the 800 year future show. Lol

 

[Campe]

Led strip lighting that look neon. Doesn't change the fact that the set and lighting designer isnt changing much in the 800 year future show. Lol

Classic goal post shift.

 

[DaveyNY]

Led strip lighting that look neon. Doesn't change the fact that the set and lighting designer isnt changing much in the 800 year future show. Lol

You do realize that the camera is going to make any light source appear brighter than it actually is, right?

I learned that years ago when I was building models and putting lights in them.
All the pics I took of my finished ships always had bright spots where the lights shined through the ports/windows/running light LEDs.

They do a lot of post production work with the digital process to try and tone some of that down nowadays.
(they used to use filters on the film camera lens to do that, at least till JJ wanted lightspill to show up all over the place in the final product)