Probably. However that was Scorcese’’s Argument why Marvel movies are not real cinema. That it’s adult people playing dress-up and pretend.
Spidey OUT of MCU
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I like the MCU (for the most part), but I get what he's saying. The thing is, a person can like and consume more than one kind of movie. For example, Thor: Ragnarok is one of my favorite movies of all time, but so is Remember the Titans.Martin Scorsese has Marvel's number, and the Twitterverse is losing their shit.
I guess Marvel will just have to settle for being the most popular, and successful, studio in film history. Damn that sucks.
I've seen some of his films. I haven't liked any of them.
Personal failing on my part maybe, but...
He is not preventing you or anyone else from enjoying the MCU. In fact, you can ignore any of his posts. What you're asking for is a complete silencing / self-censorship of any personal view that is not supporting and/or praising the MCU, and that is not only the opposite of being fair-minded but it is certainly unrealistic in the extreme. This board is not the social media arm of Disney/Marvel Studios.
Why are we talking about this in the Spidey thread...Martin Scorsese has Marvel's number, and the Twitterverse is losing their shit.
Of course.
It's Five Guys/In-N-Out vs. a burger from Michelin chef made with aged beef coated in an assortment of exotic spices served on a unique sourdough roll with a fruit reduction sauce and pickled cabbage.
For most people, Five Guys gets the job done.
Yeah I am glad you didn't say McDonalds here, because while it isn't high art, it does occasionally have something to say, and more rarely it actually says so in a very good way. To me the best examples of that are the first Iron Man and Winter Soldier (to a lesser extent). And the GOTG movies are packed with near Pixar level emotion.
Didn't like Cape Fear, haven't seen The Departed.
The defensiveness of our comic book nerd kin is disturbing. Lets not lie to ourselves - the MCU just isn't art. It's simple entertainment with stunning production values - which is exactly what we always wanted our whole lives.
I'd have to say if we're living by such standards, then the vast majority of movies aren't art - including most of the 'serious/artsy' ones. Don't feel particularly informed enough on Scorsese's career as whole to try to judge that but the MCU is no less cinema than Shutter Island, The Aviator or Gangs of New York, to name a few.
Of course Scorsese is 100% correct, and he states the matter with clarity, precision and the experience of decades of creating memorable commercial cinema of the highest quality and significance.
He gives the movies their due, saying what any fair-minded observer who's not enthralled by this factory farm film-making would: that they're well-made movies featuring good talent who do the best they can with the material.
It's not like he's exactly an ivory tower aesthete or a creator of difficult art films, is he? His career has made modern commercial film what it is, at its best, as surely as has the work of the actually gifted creators of the movies that current blockbusters mimic to such overblown, leaden effect.
So, he's one of the few folks in the industry who can tell the truth about this sort of thing without being accused of pettiness by anyone in the business but noobs and ignorant wannabes.
But Hell, I don't line up at McDonald's very often either - despite their massive ongoing success and popularity. Because I've had enough of their food to know that it's usually mediocre and briefly satisfying at most, and often it sucks. Just like most of the output of the (for now) most popular and successful studio in history.
He gives the movies their due, saying what any fair-minded observer who's not enthralled by this factory farm film-making would: that they're well-made movies featuring good talent who do the best they can with the material.
It's not like he's exactly an ivory tower aesthete or a creator of difficult art films, is he? His career has made modern commercial film what it is, at its best, as surely as has the work of the actually gifted creators of the movies that current blockbusters mimic to such overblown, leaden effect.
So, he's one of the few folks in the industry who can tell the truth about this sort of thing without being accused of pettiness by anyone in the business but noobs and ignorant wannabes.
But Hell, I don't line up at McDonald's very often either - despite their massive ongoing success and popularity. Because I've had enough of their food to know that it's usually mediocre and briefly satisfying at most, and often it sucks. Just like most of the output of the (for now) most popular and successful studio in history.
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Do you not feel that Star Trek to serious sci-fi is the same as the MCU is to meaningful cinema? Did you know that you are on a Star Trek message board?
Lived in and around Hollywood all my life. Hollywood has always been full of itself and people like Scorsese VASTLY overpaid. Yes, "Cinema" is a creative endeavor and a form of "Art" -- but in the end, the MAJORITY of it (including the stuff done by Scorsese) is just done as a for profit business first and foremost.
"Art" is in the eye and subjective. So Martin Scorsese doesn't feel any of the MCU films fit his interpretation of "Cinema Art", he's entitled to his opinion. That said, sorry, it is the individual and the public who pay to see what's produced to decide the "artistic value" of what's presented.
Personally, he's probably just upset none of his films (even adjusted for inflation) have netted such a HUGE Box Office result, so he's got to make himself feel better somehow; so yeah, the MCU films in his view are done by 'hacks' for money, while he's a "true arstist"...
Again, my response to his critique - Yawn, get over yourself the fact that you've never deigned to make a truly and massively popular set of films loved and enjoyed as pure entertainment by a HUGE mass of movie-goers the world over.
Honestly, if Scorsese wanted to make a simple MCU movie, or even MCU-style movie, it would get greenlit in a second, and he'd have the highest pay day of his career. He's not looking for that though.
Nope.
Why do people have to get up in arms whenever somebody doesn't share their enthusiasm for their favorite franchise? I didn't plan on getting involved, but seeing how this has now gone on for more than a page, I checked the article to see what Scorsese actually said that was so offensive and made him so deserving of such ridicule. Like so often before (as with James Cameron and Mark Maron, for example), I found out that internet journalists used throw-away comments of personal taste-based opinions as clickbait to get people riled up in order to generate more clicks.
First thing I noticed:
So it's not like he went out of his way to slam the MCU, he didn't have an agenda here, he was specifically asked his opinion about it, so he gave his opinion.
And what he basically said (I'm not gonna quote him again, as you can read it in @Serveaux 's signature, which shows his own overenthusiasm at Scorsese's opinion), is that he tried to watch them, but they weren't the kind of films he likes, and that they felt more like theme park rides to him. That's it, that's what it comes down to. He gave them a chance, didn't personally like them, still gave them credit for being well-made and well-acted, but they're not for him.
This is what all the fuss is about? A guy is asked his opinion about a series of movies, he says he doesn't like them, and everybody is either up in arms or celebrating his words? If that doesn't show what clickbait journalism can do to public discourse, I don't know what does. Seriously, people, do you actually think he gives it that much thought? He watched some of the movies and found they weren't his taste. How much time do you spend thinking about movies that aren't for you?
Man is asked what he thinks about a series of movies. Man says they are well-made, but not to his personal taste. End. Of. Story. Please!
First thing I noticed:
ComicBook.com said:
So it's not like he went out of his way to slam the MCU, he didn't have an agenda here, he was specifically asked his opinion about it, so he gave his opinion.
And what he basically said (I'm not gonna quote him again, as you can read it in @Serveaux 's signature, which shows his own overenthusiasm at Scorsese's opinion), is that he tried to watch them, but they weren't the kind of films he likes, and that they felt more like theme park rides to him. That's it, that's what it comes down to. He gave them a chance, didn't personally like them, still gave them credit for being well-made and well-acted, but they're not for him.
This is what all the fuss is about? A guy is asked his opinion about a series of movies, he says he doesn't like them, and everybody is either up in arms or celebrating his words? If that doesn't show what clickbait journalism can do to public discourse, I don't know what does. Seriously, people, do you actually think he gives it that much thought? He watched some of the movies and found they weren't his taste. How much time do you spend thinking about movies that aren't for you?
Man is asked what he thinks about a series of movies. Man says they are well-made, but not to his personal taste. End. Of. Story. Please!