Spidey OUT of MCU

Either all films are art or none of them are.

 

That's every bit as reductive and simplistic as the "All art is subjective" cop-out.

 

Anything can be art. Whether or not it's any good is the subjective part.

 

If I remember correctly, Scorsese was a fan of Westerns growing up, but his film professor dismissed them as just being light entertainment, which Scorsese disagreed with. Hitchcock was also known as a light entertainer too and many filmmakers including Scorsese have dismissed these claims as well.

Guess you either die a hero...

 

So he thinks.

I just shrugged and moved on. His mistake.

 

Good question.

Holland got a good thing done here.

 

Is it? Please tell me the ironclad metric for determining which films are art and which ones aren't...but do it without being subjective.

 

Not even close to being true.

 

Of course, it's all art. But there's a 'letter of the law/spirit of the law' element to it. Which is why it's a cop-out argument.

Technically speaking, the doodles you scratch in a legal pad while sitting on hold are art.

 

I don't line up for a superhero movie because it's art. I line up because it's--hopefully--a good time.
Beyond the technical aspect of CGI and green screen technology, they aren't exactly pushing the art form of cinematic story telling forward.

That assumes that his goal IS to make a movie that makes 2 billion dollars. Which, I doubt is true.

However, what he has accomplished is more staggering than making 2 billions dollars at the box office. He's created some legendary movies (Raging Bull, Taxi Driver, for example) that have influenced countless artists. His films will be continued to be studied and watched. And fuck, he's someone whose opinion on something is headline news... The Russo Brothers can barely open a movie that doesn't have Marvel attached.

The guy, regardless of your personal opinion, is a legendary filmmaker.

 

That's never been Scorsese's desire or issue, and not all filmmakers are coveting blockbuster numbers.

 

I'm not being sarcastic. You're ascribing a status to something labelled "art" which is not inherent to the name.

We agree then.

It's not a cop-out...in my opinion, "this is art but this is not" is just elitist bullshit, and is as subjective as anything else. If there's a film that I consider to be art and you do not, who gets to decide what is true?

Found objects. How is putting a bicycle wheel on a podium art, but hundreds of people pouring all their creative drives into one film not? Or a big canvas completely covered in red paint...some art critics would opine that it's brilliant, but other people would just wonder what the hell the point is. Are the critics full of it or are the non-critics just idiots? I'd argue that it's neither. It's all art, and it's up to the individual to decide if they like it.

As my position is "It's up to the individual" I won't argue further, and apologize if I was too argumentative for polite company.

 

Samuel L Jackson responds to Scorsese; "That's like saying Bugs Bunny ain't funny".

https://www-yahoo-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/entertainment/samuel-l-jackson-responds-martin-164840433.html?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE=#referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/samuel-l-jackson-responds-martin-164840433.html

 

Film as high art is for those who appreciate film as high art; mostly those who make films and wish to be highly regarded as artists.

The rest of us really just want to be entertained.

 

Is it a problem if someone doesn't think Bugs Bunny isn't funny?

I don't get why everyone is so up in arms about Scorsese's comments. So he doesn't like your movies, what's the big deal?

He's not saying they shouldn't be made. He's not interested in seeing them.

 

Some reporter's editor decided it was newsworthy.

Other than that, it's just an offhand comment by an old dude who did some stuff.

 

They're hardly up in arms. Both of their responses seemed pretty mild to me.

 

Have you been reading this thread?

 

You quoted the Sam Jackson article and said "he (Scorsese) doesn't like your movies". You'll have to forgive me for thinking you meant the filmmakers who have responded to his statement.

 

For a long time, of course, the very idea that any films would ever be considered "high art" was ludicrous.