Spoilers Spider-Man Far From Home review and discussion

[DigificWriter]

So how can Peter still only be 16 in this movie? Even ignoring the 5 years he was gone that would mean he was only 13 in Civil War...

He was 15 in Civil War and 16 in both Homecoming and Infinity War, and since he was dead for 5 years, he was resurrected at exactly the same age he was when he died.

Since Far From Home is set in July and his birthday is August 10th, he's on the cusp of turning 17.

 

[StCoop]

He was 15 in Civil War and 16 in both Homecoming and Infinity War, and since he was dead for 5 years, he was resurrected at exactly the same age he was when he died.

Since Far From Home is set in July and his birthday is August 10th, he's on the cusp of turning 17.

If he was 15 in 2016 that means he was born in 2001. The Snap, sorry Blip, happens in 2018. Far From Home takes place in 2024. Subtract 5 and you get... 17 going on 18.

Still, not as bad as how many years Homecoming was set after The Avengers...

 

[DigificWriter]

Here's a breakdown of Peter's personal timeline relative to the films he's appeared in:
August 10th, 2001: Born
May 2010: Attends the Stark Expo and gets rescued by Tony (he's 8-going-on-9 because of the Stark Expo starting in May)
May 2016: Joins "Team Iron Man" to fight the 'Civil War' after being recruited by Tony (he's 14 and finishing up his Freshman year of High School)
September 2016: Starts his Sophomore year of High School and fights Adrian Toomes and his gang while being 'mentored' by Tony (he's 15)
May/June 2018: Joins the Avengers to fight Thanos and gets killed (he's finishing up his Junior year of High School and is still 16)
October 2023: Resurrected after the remainder of the Avengers undo "The Blip"
June 2024: Is finishing up his Junior Year of High School with a school-sponsored European vacation when he's recruited to stop the Elementals (he's still 16 because his next recorded birthday - when he'll officially turn 17 - isn't until August 10th)

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Smaller stories like this one that often get skipped over or pushed aside to make room for the bigger stuff are exactly why I'd like for Marvel Studios to bring back the One-Shots. Just give us something short and sweet, 15 minutes or less, to fill in those little cracks.

..or just produce films that are more about isolated adventures/character driven, like the best of Spider-Man's comic books. The former Marvel Netflix series had their ties, but they were still able to tell truly solo, personal stories. Spider-Man always worked best on his own, as it fit his loner's mentality--even after point he met/worked with other heroes (in the comics). That's lost in this version of the character, along with the grittier Spider-Man stories that made the character great in the first place.

Overall, SM:FFH was just okay to me, and the continuation of the Skrull business just speaks to the direction the MCU appears to be taking, and that's more Infinity War/Endgame than an earthier direction. I do look forward to the Falcon & Winter Soldier TV series, to see if their stories take that other direction.

GRADE: C+

 

[urbandefault]

I have a question that the movie didn't answer regarding a certain Avenger: I'll use spoiler coding, just to be safe:

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Steve Rogers

He appeared in the memoriam sequence. Does the world know what he did,

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taking the Infinity Stones back and/or living his life with Peggy?

Does the world think he's dead? Did he pass away in the eight months since the end of Endgame?

My assumption was that everyone assumed he’d died either in the battle with Thanos or travelling back in time with the stones. I don’t think they know the truth.

Jeepers, they said in the movie that time travel doesn't work like the movies, and changing the past doesn't change the present. Steve staying in the past didn't change anything. Try to keep up.

Since time travel is in reality not possible, fictional time travel can do anything it wants.

 

[DigificWriter]

Overall, SM:FFH was just okay to me, and the continuation of the Skrull business just speaks to the direction the MCU appears to be taking, and that's more Infinity War/Endgame than an earthier direction. I do look forward to the Falcon & Winter Soldier TV series, to see if their stories take that other direction.

GRADE: C+

Why are you assuming that "Spider-Man 3" - which is likely the next time we see Peter and Co. - is going to have anything to do with the Skrulls? The Talos and Soren thing is directly tied to this film's plot because of Fury and Maria's part in its events and what we as an audience needed to know about what was really going on.

The much more narratively important 'tease' for the future is the exposure of Peter's true identity as a result of Beck's machinations, which is likely to be the 'hook' that "Spider-Man 3" pivots on.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Why are you assuming that "Spider-Man 3" - which is likely the next time we see Peter and Co. - is going to have anything to do with the Skrulls?

At no point did I say a "Spider-Man 3" would have anything to do with Skrulls.

I posted:

and the continuation of the Skrull business just speaks to the direction the MCU appears to be taking,

Emphasis on MCU. The film series.

"Continuation" is a reference to the aliens' appearance in Captain Marvel.

 

[DigificWriter]

At no point did I say a "Spider-Man 3" would have anything to do with Skrulls.

I posted:



Emphasis on MCU. The film series.

Again, why are you assuming that the Talos and Soren thing was put into this film as an indicator of the future of the MCU as a whole and not because we as an audience needed to know the truth about what was 'up' with Fury and Maria relative to their participation in this film's events?

 

[Captrek]

Apparently, as Peter swung by the former Avengers tower while it's being renovated at the end of the movie, there is some signage at the construction site that reads, "We can't wait to show you what comes next. 1-2-3-?"

A hint to the Fantastic Four? That would certainly be very cool.

More likely Phase 4.

 

[suarezguy]

May 2016: Joins "Team Iron Man" to fight the 'Civil War' after being recruited by Tony (he's 14 and finishing up his Freshman year of High School)

That makes Stark seem particularly, or even more, unprincipled, you would think or hope he would get him to fight when, if Peter was at least 15-that's close-to-16. And a 14-year-old Spider-Man who had been crimefighting for 6 months is pretty hard for viewers to believe as well, taking young far too young. I know he did start his career at 15 in the comics but (aside from that his age wasn't really specified, let alone focused on, in the early comics) comics, especially from the '60s, can have more suspension of disbelief than films.

 

[DigificWriter]

That makes Stark seem particularly, or even more, unprincipled, you would think or hope he would get him to fight when, if Peter was at least 15-that's close-to-16. And a 14-year-old Spider-Man who had been crimefighting for 6 months is pretty hard for viewers to believe as well

I don't really see why this is an issue, to be honest, because most 14-year-olds can hold a part-time job (and that's basically what being Spider-Man is for him). Peter is also particularly mature for a 14-year-old.

 

[Anwar]

..or just produce films that are more about isolated adventures/character driven, like the best of Spider-Man's comic books.

Plenty of Spidey's better stories had him interacting with the bigger universe.

The former Marvel Netflix series had their ties, but they were still able to tell truly solo, personal stories.

By being set in the past before the big events.

Spider-Man always worked best on his own, as it fit his loner's mentality

Not really. Marvel's unwillingness to put the X-Men and Spider-Man writers on a leash and act like their characters were on their own nearly destroyed Marvel.

Overall, SM:FFH was just okay to me, and the continuation of the Skrull business just speaks to the direction the MCU appears to be taking, and that's more Infinity War/Endgame than an earthier direction.

Good, grounded stories are for people ashamed of comics.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Again, why are you assuming that the Talos and Soren thing was put into this film as an indicator of the future of the MCU

There is no "again" when you jumped in with the following assumption:

Why are you assuming that "Spider-Man 3" - which is likely the next time we see Peter and Co. - is going to have anything to do with the Skrulls?

I was not talking about a potential SM3 at all.

 

[Turtletrekker]

More likely Phase 4.

Perhaps, but that seems like more of a fourth wall thing, no pun intended, than you usually see in a Marvel movie. In all likelihood it's totally random and doesn't mean anything, but fans like to speculate.

 

[Captaindemotion]

Jeepers, they said in the movie that time travel doesn't work like the movies, and changing the past doesn't change the present. Steve staying in the past didn't change anything. Try to keep up.

Since time travel is in reality not possible, fictional time travel can do anything it wants.

I’m not quite sure what that has to do with my post. I was talking about what the general public in the MCU-verse believed about Steve. The general public wasn’t present for the discussion about time-travel.

Since “young” Steve was at Tony’s funeral, he was probably visible to the public in the days between the battle with Thanos and the funeral, so some explanation would have had to be given for why he wasn’t seen after that. By the time of FFH, he’s believed to be dead, so - unless he died of old age between the end of Endgame and the start of that film, which I think is unlikely - the explanation that he died returning into the past seems as likely as any. Even Sam Wilson, an actual Avenger, panicked when Steve didn’t immediately return via the machine.

 

[Anwar]

There is no "again" when you jumped in with the following assumption:



I was not talking about a potential SM3 at all.

You're basically complaining Spidey isn't treated like he's in his own little world. You're just showing the segregationist attitude that nearly ruined Marvel back in the 90s.

 

[CaptainWacky]

I saw it today, thought it was really good. It improved on all the areas where I had problems with Homecoming (which was pretty good, but I had some problems!) For example I was a bit worried about how it would integrate the larger MCU into a Spider-Man story. Homecoming turned into an Iron Man movie for a couple of scenes, but this one always felt like a (MCU) Spider-Man movie (not as individual as the Raimi movies but you wouldn't mistake it for Iron Man 4 or anything.) I found Happy a bit annoying in Homecoming but he was actually good here. All the "Blip" stuff was actually done really well at it kept the same tone as the rest of the movie. Starting with the crappy highschool tribute to the dead Avengers was a really smart move. And they even touched on the more serious side of it a little with May doing a benefit for displaced people and that teacher talking about having a funeral for his wife who'd actually just ran out on him.

Action scenes were much improved from Homecoming too: no fight scenes on a cloaked airplane at night! The scene where Myseterio beat up Spider-Man with illusions was amazing, one of the best comic book action scenes the MCU has done.

Tom Holland and Future Presidemt of Earth Zendaya were great at the teenage awkwardness. Ned and Betty were funny with their weird romance. Gyllenhaal made a very good villain, I liked that he wasn't crazy or have anything really sympathetic about him, he was just a good old fashioned asshole supervillain.

I liked that it was a story about "fake news" but nobody ever said the overused phrase "fake news" at any point. Bringing J.K. Simmons back is fanservice, sure (and it sure serviced this fan!) but turning him into an Alex Jones-like figure was a great twist on the character.

I wonder if someone noticed that they'd written Nick Fury slightly out of character (he seemed too harsh to Peter and incompetent) so came up with the Skrull twist after the credits to explain it? That would be a clecer solution!

MINOR COMPLAINTS: May didn't do much. Mysterio dying is disappinting (but if they really wanted to I'm sure they could bring him back.) Maria Hill being a Skrull too means she hasn't really done anything since Agoe of Ultron four years ago (and all she did there was shoot one Ultron drone.) There's been too many MCU villains with a personal grudge against Tony Startk, though Mysterio was probably the best of them so it's not a huge complaint.

It was good I liked it.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Kevin Feige and John Watt talk about the Skrulls, the blip, J Jonah Jameson and more.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/spid...GEGOM3uaKNDqY5Vxy6OI5nHjaRvGy4ZgNEwkRLXAu5wIg

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Good to see the Snap/Blip terms clarified. I figured one referred to their deaths and the other to their returns specifically, but I've seen some people in this thread refer to the whole event as the Blip.

I missed the "your world" bit but it's cool to know that Watts left a clue to the truth and I look forward to picking up other clues he placed in the film the next time I watch it.

I love how people picked up on the diagonally-cut toast bit and looked all the way back to Age of Ultron to theorize that Talos has been Fury for that long. I still maintain he's only been masquerading since the events of Endgame, but it's a neat theory and I love that Watts reads these theories.

 

[Tosk]

Kevin Feige and John Watt talk about the Skrulls, the blip, J Jonah Jameson and more.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/spid...GEGOM3uaKNDqY5Vxy6OI5nHjaRvGy4ZgNEwkRLXAu5wIg

Damn it, again with that toast thing. I wish they'd check the material instead of listening to "fan theories". Fury does not cut or eat diagonal toast in Age of Ultron.

1. It ain't toast. It's nut loaf or fruit cake or similar.
2. Not diagonal.
3. Even if it was toast and was cut diagonally, he breaks chunks off the main piece to eat them anyway.

I feel like this fan theory is one guy who kind of remembers the scene, and then a bunch of people who just took his word for it. And yes, I am overreacting.