^ We've never seen them do that. I don't know if they can. It's not like they have a magical assimilation ray or anything like that - if they want to assimilate a ship, they have to beam drones over to it the old-fashioned way.
So name a Star Trek moment that you just didn't "get".
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Deflector control was their priority so they could get a message off to the Delta Quadrant and summon reinforcements.
Why didn't they try to assimilate Picard and his team as soon as they saw them. They did assimilate the rest of the crew so why not them?
^ Remember, the Borg don't actively go after someone who is not a threat to them. That's why the away team could (initially) beam over to the cube and explore it at their leisure. The drones didn't perceive the landing party as a threat.
It's as I said: the Borg can afford to take their time, so to speak. They're not in a hurry to assimilate technology. They're confident they'll get it eventually, so they can be careful at it.
It's as I said: the Borg can afford to take their time, so to speak. They're not in a hurry to assimilate technology. They're confident they'll get it eventually, so they can be careful at it.
Then why go through all the trouble to travel back into time, just to assimilate 21st century humans?
The technology that got them interested in the first place, no longer exists. After assimilation, there is no Starfleet, no Enterprises, no Warp Drives.
What do they have to gain?
The technology that got them interested in the first place, no longer exists. After assimilation, there is no Starfleet, no Enterprises, no Warp Drives.
What do they have to gain?
^ The trip back in time was an emergency escape route. The Borg cube was about to be destroyed, so the sphere was sent back as a last minute measure.
Still, you have to admit that that behavior is not part of the borg MO.
This all just reminds me again of what a bad film First Contact was and still is. People want to point out plot holes in Generations? Buddy, G has nothing on FC.
If the delector dish had been the target, why didn't they beam there to begin with?
If there was some legitimate reason they couldn't before the sphere blew, why didn't they lock out the transporter systems and do a site-to-site transport? We've seen Data do this on TNG. For that matter, why don't they just use a site-to-site transport of all crew members to 10-Forward (if the E has one), the brigs, and the arboretum (if the E has one) and erect shielding to keep them there? OR use the ships environmental systems to gas the crew to sleep, leaving only Data to deal with. Hell, beam then all down to the planet -- free reign then.
Why not fly a shuttle out and take out the deflector dish so the Borg can't do it. They certainly can rebuild it.
Or why even destroy it? Why not take that shuttle out and use alternating frequencies and just target each Borg and pick 'em off one by one; any minor damage could easily be repaired.
But since the events in FC already occured for future Borg and they know the results, why not send a Borg vessel back to stop them from aking the mistakes, or even stop the Enterprise E from destroying the cube in FC to begin with (I know, a paradox, but when have temporal paradoxs stopped Star Trek?).
Why even contact the collective? "Hey, come here and assimilative this biologically and technologically inferior race that has just now achieved faster-than-light travel in a fancy tuna can!". OMG, fire up those Borgengines!
For that matter, why did it take Cochran's little vessel going faster-than-light to get the Vulcan's attention? Wouldn't a big-assed Enterprise and a borg sphere battle and destruction have fired off their sensors?
What about the Federation timeship (or ships) seen in Voyager? Are they too busy fixing Janeway's fuck-up's and stopping versions of Braxton to maybe stop the Borg from destroying the human race before it had a chance to be the Federation?
If the delector dish had been the target, why didn't they beam there to begin with?
If there was some legitimate reason they couldn't before the sphere blew, why didn't they lock out the transporter systems and do a site-to-site transport? We've seen Data do this on TNG. For that matter, why don't they just use a site-to-site transport of all crew members to 10-Forward (if the E has one), the brigs, and the arboretum (if the E has one) and erect shielding to keep them there? OR use the ships environmental systems to gas the crew to sleep, leaving only Data to deal with. Hell, beam then all down to the planet -- free reign then.
Why not fly a shuttle out and take out the deflector dish so the Borg can't do it. They certainly can rebuild it.
Or why even destroy it? Why not take that shuttle out and use alternating frequencies and just target each Borg and pick 'em off one by one; any minor damage could easily be repaired.
But since the events in FC already occured for future Borg and they know the results, why not send a Borg vessel back to stop them from aking the mistakes, or even stop the Enterprise E from destroying the cube in FC to begin with (I know, a paradox, but when have temporal paradoxs stopped Star Trek?).
Why even contact the collective? "Hey, come here and assimilative this biologically and technologically inferior race that has just now achieved faster-than-light travel in a fancy tuna can!". OMG, fire up those Borgengines!
For that matter, why did it take Cochran's little vessel going faster-than-light to get the Vulcan's attention? Wouldn't a big-assed Enterprise and a borg sphere battle and destruction have fired off their sensors?
What about the Federation timeship (or ships) seen in Voyager? Are they too busy fixing Janeway's fuck-up's and stopping versions of Braxton to maybe stop the Borg from destroying the human race before it had a chance to be the Federation?
Picard stated that the dish was flooded with some sort of technobabbly radiation that could be ignited by direct phaser fire and a resulting explosion that could take out a large chunk of the ship, which is both why they couldn't shoot at the drones directly (only when they were off the dish) and why Worf's single final shot caused such a big boom.
Not saying that whole sequence wasn't contrived, but they at least explained why a phaser fire-fight was a no-no.
(Also, sparks and gas fall onto the dish rather than shoot out into space [or that there are sparks to begin with]. Of course, this is because it was filmed on a soundstage with Earth gravity, but to me it kind of ruined the illusion of the battle taking place at a semi-90-degree angle from Earth or everyone else on the ship.)
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Since we're talking about First Contact, here's another: when a drone straps the captured Data onto the table, the drone brings down the wrist lock, and then taps it after it's secure. It's a very human mannerism to tap something after it locks, but this is a drone here.
Off the top of my head, there is this whole business in STAR TREK V: The Final Frontier, how - in order for Sybok's stealing a starship plan to work, in the first place - it requires one that is as compromised as we see the ENTERPRISE is, here. And how would he have known that the ship only had a skeleton crew and was in such disrepair? Answer: he wouldn't. And just what the hell has Sybok been up to between being cast out of Vulcan and arriving on Nimbus III? The god creature sure was patient, was he not? I mean, what with Sybok and his magic voodoo to heal everyone of that one, secret pain that's been holding them back, somehow. This must be a STAR TREK universe thing, this one, secret pain that must be healed. I certainly am not defined by my "pain." And when Sybok says he cannot force you to submit to his cleansing and join his quest, that you have to do it of your own free will, does this not mean that Sulu, Uhura, Chekov, Bones ... and even Shatner's own daughter have betrayed STARFLEET? Why is this never dealt with? Because Kirk's just an understanding guy?
Trek always seemed to have those weird plot ideas without checking for all the plot holes in them.
Leave time travel alone-there's just too many plot holes involved. One question about a plot hole from a character and the whole thing falls apart.
There's also Nemesis. Shinzon is a clone of Picard who was raised as a slave on Romulus. He was abused and shut away for all his life.
So his plan when he takes over the Romulan government is to get revenge on Picard, and then destroy the Federation. He hates humans and the federation.
It doesn't make any sense- he was abused by Romulans his entire life. He never even met human before, much less been abused by one.
And no one ever asked him about that. It seemed like another artificial plot idea that the story went along with.
In The Final Fronteer, the scene on the flight deck where Spock confronts Sybok with the "rock gun."
Why didn't Spock just shoot Sybok in the knee? McCoy was standing right there, sickbay was maybe a minute away, Sybok would have been in no danger of dying. It's unlikely he would have come away from the experience with even a limp.
Once Sybok had been shot, his small number of gunmen would have been more likely to surrender.
Points mentioned previously. Shinzon attempt to destroy Earth came from his partnership with the Romulan military and not any desire on his own part. He had agreed to do it in exchange for their support.
Sybok's contact with the false god might have been fairly resent, and not have occurred years in the past.
No, he couldn't have known that the responding starship would be lightly crewed, but he seemed to have been playing by ear and not planning in advance.
Why didn't Spock just shoot Sybok in the knee? McCoy was standing right there, sickbay was maybe a minute away, Sybok would have been in no danger of dying. It's unlikely he would have come away from the experience with even a limp.
Once Sybok had been shot, his small number of gunmen would have been more likely to surrender.
Points mentioned previously. Shinzon attempt to destroy Earth came from his partnership with the Romulan military and not any desire on his own part. He had agreed to do it in exchange for their support.
Sybok's contact with the false god might have been fairly resent, and not have occurred years in the past.
No, he couldn't have known that the responding starship would be lightly crewed, but he seemed to have been playing by ear and not planning in advance.
I don't think Sybok's plan depended on Enterprise having a skeleton crew. As long as he had Kirk (or whoever) as hostage, he had the upper hand.
I go with the explanation in the DTI novel Watching the Clock: the temporal vortex generator that the Borg used was a gift from the Sphere Builders (the villains of ENT season 3). The Sphere Builders therefore rigged the temporal vortex generator so that the Borg couldn't use it in any way other than to benefit the Sphere Builders.
Most of these are things they had done before.
That depends on what the ship's orders were, when Sybok came on the scene. Can Kirk just "decide" to fly anywhere in the galaxy on whimsy? Especially when the Galactic Center was believed to be destructive, even to a starship? The risk of mutiny might be a real problem, so the more getting brainwashed, the better.
Exactly! Especially when Sybok bellows in surprise that, "for a moment, I thought you might actually do it." Now, that "moment" is negated by the fact that Spock didn't shoot Sybok at all, anywhere ... if he were that intent on obeying his Captain's order. Not to mention, when Kirk has to tell Spock to pick up the Pebble Shooter in the first place, when it lands at Spock's feet. Why is he so slow to get involved, when he sees Kirk getting throttled? It's possible that the jolt from the shuttle "crash" left him disoriented, kind of, but he seems very clear-headed, when he demands Sybok surrender. This entire scene rings so completely false that it does make one wonder if, indeed, Spock didn't somehow side with his brother, in some way.
Spock pronounced Sybok as possessing "the keenest intellect I have ever known." And yet ... everything Sybok says and does reveals otherwise. Had the Enterprise not been so compromised as to facilitate Sybok's take-over, I seriously doubt this character had the intellect to get around a fully staffed and fully functioning starship, particularly Enterprise. But ... that's the movies for you, I guess. Why make more work for yourself when general audiences don't care about shit like that? And all of that popcorn is at stake ...No, he couldn't have known that the responding starship would be lightly crewed, but he seemed to have been playing by ear and not planning in advance.
Well this is ultimately why the movie fails overall despite some decent moments. It never gives us any reason why the hell Shinzon is so pissed at the Federation, or Picard for that matter.
I guess maybe he's jealous that he and Picard are the same person yet Picard had a successful and comfortable life and he knew only pain and misery.
And perhaps he just wanted to destroy earth to show the Romulans and the rest of the galaxy what a bad ass he is.
Neither reason is all that compelling though. Especially when it has so many similarities to TWOK and Khan had the most personal reasons of all for hating and wanting revenge on Kirk.
Seriously what was Shinzon's deal. I guess he was just an evil asshole. Sure they exist in life, but they don't make for very compelling antagonists in films if that's their only motivation for being bad.
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