Okay Othello why don't you tell US why you thought Lex and Lana were a good pairing since we've already told you why we think it wasn't.
Smallville Summer Hiatus Thread III (Spoilers)
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When I let my dick take over, pointing me towards the hottest Woman in the room, it rarely makes sense.
How about this.
Lionel convinced his son that he was an evil fuck up destined to use the world as a toilet because it was in his nature to be Satan.
Lana made him want to be a better man.
If as some of you say is that all he wanted was what Clark had, then Lexmas should have convinced Lex to switch tracks and go after Chloe since as soon as he was roughly positive that Clark wouldn't wade in after his sloppy seconds, it was Chloe who made Clark truly happy if he was to take full stock of that dream.
How about this.
Lionel convinced his son that he was an evil fuck up destined to use the world as a toilet because it was in his nature to be Satan.
Lana made him want to be a better man.
If as some of you say is that all he wanted was what Clark had, then Lexmas should have convinced Lex to switch tracks and go after Chloe since as soon as he was roughly positive that Clark wouldn't wade in after his sloppy seconds, it was Chloe who made Clark truly happy if he was to take full stock of that dream.
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Not really. The dream was just a glimpse...to be honest the writers should have had Lois in there if that was the case and I didn't get the feeling Clark & Chloe were a couple...they just seemed as they are...friends. During this time Clark & Lana are still together...in the dream it showed what Lex's life could be like if he got off his path of destruction...maybe he could be a man Lana could love if he changed his ways...which didn't happen of course. Lex wouldn't even have a shot with Lana if it wasn't for Clark's stupidity...in any event...it was just a dream and the reality is alot more harsh for these characters.
So you don't think the dream was planted by the Jor-El AI to extricate Lana from Clark's life because she was cockblocking him?
And if the Jor-El AI was going to do that to Lex, then who know how many other Humans including the Kents IT was programming and conditioning to supports it's agenda for Clark's destiny.
The Jor-El AI might have been driving all the meteor freaks crazy as a series of tests challenges and exams to gte Clark ready during his infancy for the hard road ahead if it was wary of even one manifestaion of Zod following them to earth or just frcking ruling the planet like it made out in the first place.
And if the Jor-El AI was going to do that to Lex, then who know how many other Humans including the Kents IT was programming and conditioning to supports it's agenda for Clark's destiny.
The Jor-El AI might have been driving all the meteor freaks crazy as a series of tests challenges and exams to gte Clark ready during his infancy for the hard road ahead if it was wary of even one manifestaion of Zod following them to earth or just frcking ruling the planet like it made out in the first place.
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The dream was Lex's Mom trying to get him off his destructive path...or we are lead to believe. I don't think Jor-El's AI wouldn't want Clark with any human female...Lana was meant to die and then later with trying to convince Clark to give up Lois. 
It's not that the Jor-El AI doesn't want Clark to mate with a human female...he doesn't want Clark constantly distracted by the emotions that come with being involved in a RELATIONSHIP when he's supposed to be TRAINING.
Guy has a point with Lex feeling that Lana made him feel like a better man but that doesn't change the facts that he was still a manipulative bastard who kept secrets from her (the same way Clark did) and KNEW that secrets was what kept her from Clark in the first place. It also doesn't change that the fact that over the course of the series due to his own harsh and strict upbringing that he WAS jealous of Clark's family and his relationship with Lana when everything he experienced was ruined. Guess what happened folks? He ruined his relationship with Lana too. Lex may have the potential to be redeemable but the fact of the matter is that he is too warped in the head due to his upbringing and parental influence to change. The few glimpses of kindness we saw from Lex were outweighed by the darkness that continued to corrupt and will continue to plague him throughout his life.
Guy has a point with Lex feeling that Lana made him feel like a better man but that doesn't change the facts that he was still a manipulative bastard who kept secrets from her (the same way Clark did) and KNEW that secrets was what kept her from Clark in the first place. It also doesn't change that the fact that over the course of the series due to his own harsh and strict upbringing that he WAS jealous of Clark's family and his relationship with Lana when everything he experienced was ruined. Guess what happened folks? He ruined his relationship with Lana too. Lex may have the potential to be redeemable but the fact of the matter is that he is too warped in the head due to his upbringing and parental influence to change. The few glimpses of kindness we saw from Lex were outweighed by the darkness that continued to corrupt and will continue to plague him throughout his life.
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Ah yes...Clark would have been good with Raya if Baron didn't kill her.
Another problem is Lex is only honest with Lana when he wants something from her...that isn't love or being a better person. As you stated because of his up bringing Lex will always be plagued with darkness.
^ Yes exactly and that is also part of his upbringing and conditioning if you will, maybe Lex doesn't have an ulterior motive or agenda all the time but he does about 99 percent of the time. Remember when he upgraded the football teams uniforms? That was to try and appease Clark when they were having a rough patch during his investigation of him. Almost EVERYTHING that Lex does is a means to an end and usually a bad one at that. Again this doesn't mean that he can't be a good guy...he just isn't.
Another huge componenet of the dream was pa Kent telling lex that he was proud of the man he had become, which was getting the approval he never received from his own father. Then there was the unconditional love of his children, which turned out to be love that he earned proving he was a better daddy than his own daddy. So really he was just hungry for validation from every one and any one.
Meanwhile back in reality, a few episodes later, Lionel said to Lex "You will never be a good enough man for Lana Lang." or words to that effect. No idea which episode, I usualy watch them in huge blocks.
The universe and his father were daring him to bed that Lang woman. It's almost as if he didn't have a choice.
Meanwhile back in reality, a few episodes later, Lionel said to Lex "You will never be a good enough man for Lana Lang." or words to that effect. No idea which episode, I usualy watch them in huge blocks.
The universe and his father were daring him to bed that Lang woman. It's almost as if he didn't have a choice.
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I still feel the writers could have gone a different way with the Clark/Lana relationship instead of destroying it and Lana in the process...because in many stories Lana is still involved in Clark's life...working at the Daily Planet and Clark is torn between Lana & Lois...I see nothing wrong with that...many people are torn between 2 loves throughout life.
[edit] @Guy The dream was Lex's Mother trying to get him to change his ways...putting Lana in there was just one possible outcome...not definite.
I still feel the writers could have gone a different way with the Clark/Lana relationship instead of destroying it and Lana in the process...because in many stories Lana is still involved in Clark's life...working at the Daily Planet and Clark is torn between Lana & Lois...I see nothing wrong with that...many people are torn between 2 loves throughout life.
[edit] @Guy The dream was Lex's Mother trying to get him to change his ways...putting Lana in there was just one possible outcome...not definite.
We believe in ghosts now?
I suppose with the introduction of Doctor Fate and Zatana that it's possible that it could have been his mother like the episode was telling us, and not a psychological manifestation of the previous nights dinner.
I suppose with the introduction of Doctor Fate and Zatana that it's possible that it could have been his mother like the episode was telling us, and not a psychological manifestation of the previous nights dinner.
The thing is though the writers could have done some great stuff with Lex and Lana, made them an actual couple instead of just another distraction for Clark which they were. Lana's character changed during her experience with Lex, she learned and evolved more than any of the other characters did. I'm not disputing that their time with each other couldn't have been good...I'm saying it wasn't because that isn't the direction the writers wanted to go in.
I still think Lana was part of his Lexmas dream because even on a sub-conscience level he wanted her...everything in that dream was generated by Lex's desires and wants.
I still think Lana was part of his Lexmas dream because even on a sub-conscience level he wanted her...everything in that dream was generated by Lex's desires and wants.
Clark doesn't but that doesn't necessarily mean he's never thought about Chloe that way. After their season five finale kiss the two of them discussed what happens and it appears like for a second Clark is actually willing to finally touch on it but Chloe pooh poohs it away frustrating a section of the fan base at the same time 
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I am wondering how Clark & Chloe will be handled S10...there is still a rift there. I wouldn't be surprised if Chloe is killed off or her character ended(leaving) in the 200th ep.
[edit] It would be ep 4. I think.
[edit] It would be ep 4. I think.
I forgot that this season will be the 200th and we know from episode 100 that they killed a major character so I wouldn't be surprised if they did so again. Clark and Chloe still are in a bad place but seemingly moving towards some kind of reconciliation...perhaps working together to find Ollie will patch things up between them before whatever happens to Chloe happens (I still think something bad is in store for Chloe).
Something bad is going to happen? Hasn't her so-called story arc over the past five years been bad enough?
I kid. I kid (sort of).
Seriously, I got the impression that Clark and Chloe kinda made amends towards the end of the season with Clark going all "I can't do it all alone as I thought and I've been shutting people out. Oops." I suspect by the season opener, all will be chummy between the two of them.
Somehow I doubt they would kill Chloe off that early in the season, of the final season (if they kill her at all). I have a feeling that the 200th episode will be a standalone, fun episode akin to SG-1's "200" where it'll be more of a celebration of the show than anything else.
I kid. I kid (sort of).
Seriously, I got the impression that Clark and Chloe kinda made amends towards the end of the season with Clark going all "I can't do it all alone as I thought and I've been shutting people out. Oops." I suspect by the season opener, all will be chummy between the two of them.
Somehow I doubt they would kill Chloe off that early in the season, of the final season (if they kill her at all). I have a feeling that the 200th episode will be a standalone, fun episode akin to SG-1's "200" where it'll be more of a celebration of the show than anything else.
It was not great. The only reason Lana went to Lex was because Clark chose to shut her out...mainly because of fear. The only reason Lex wanted Lana in the first place is because she truly loves Clark and Lex wants everything that is important to Clark mainly out of jealousy. The pairing made for great entertainment in "Lexmas" but in the long run it doesn't work. The reality of the Lex/Lana relationship is...there was no real love there and it was confirmed later on. Alot of the sensational BS that came later with Lana & Lex was nothing more than writer fantasy and even looking at the events/character development through-out SMALLVILLE's run...it doesn't make sense. If it wasn't for Green Arrow/JL & a handful of eps with Clark dealing with the PZ aftermath...S6 pretty much was a downturn...mainly do to Lex/Lana arc. Many may not agree with this and that is fine...but it was not a great run.
What a load of horse manure! Practically everything you point to there makes the pairing make even MORE sense, not less.
The pairing does not make sense...even though the reasons for Lana and Lex coming together are typical...the pairing itself doesn't make sense. Lana is a good, sweet and a caring person...and Lex is a monster...the pairing maybe be entertaining at first but you would have to be insane to think a long term relationship makes sense...even in the short term we saw how bad it was. To be honest the writers really cannot do a compelling relationship on this show.
I never said they should stay together forever. I said it should have lasted longer. An bad relationships are comonplace in thw wolrd let alone a tv show. It makes perfect sense. Women go with monster and bad men all the time.
I would also add that Lana has serious dark side to that sweetness. She made a TON of choices that anyone would say is coming from that evil everyone has inside them and is capable of. Lex never made her do anything. She chose many of those dubious acts of her own free will. "Free will.. it's a bitch" Watch The Devil's Advocate. He only set the choices in front of her.. but she pulled the strings....
Because they both were looking for something in the other that each thought the other could provide but ultimately they were both too damaged to last.
For Lana- In Lex she thought she was getting from him what she could never get with Clark. Letting her in and sharing himself with her. Lex was constantly doing things to help her, willign to die to protect her and constantly help her along the way. Add in his willingness to look out for her emotionally while she dealt with clark's BS he also brought her into many private aspect of his life he didn't share with others. he seemed to place a much greater trust and openness with her with important stuff than Clark ever did.
For Lex- he thought she was going to be his redemption. The pure and good soul that will lead him to right. The woman that would prove that the good in him was stronger than the evil. She was his path to salvation and a woman he felt he could love and make his life whole and meaningful. Add in the jealousy issues with Clark and you've got the perfect lure for his attraction.
What we see is that they both WERE CAPABLE of giving that to each other. It was ENTIRELY POSSIBLE but did not happen. Imagine yourself in Lex's shoes. Would you want to give up the woman you loved after such a short time or would you fight like hell to do everything in your power to tell fate to go ^&%$ itself?! Especially given how Lex was raised to view the world?
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Until he kills her? Lex manipulated her from the beginning...I am talking S1. Many of her dark choices are because of her relationship with Lex, both from friendship and later romantic.
Lex only does what benefits him, his friendships included.
That is psychotic. He never loved Lana, Lana knew this by the end of S6. Don't confuse obsession with love. Once again if you look back...Lex was grooming Lana...I have no doubt in my mind that a) Lex knew Clark's secrets would prevent him from having a relationship with Lana b) When the time was right Lex always being there at the right time knew he could get Lana into a relationship.
Lex jealous of Clark from day 1 after the bridge...wanted what Clark had or would eventually have...meaning Lana.
None of what you said makes it a good pairing...it may be entertaining...but not good from a relationship point of view...which is what I at-least am talking about...and the longer it went on the less entertaining it became.
See I can understand both of your points regarding Lex and Lana but ultimately it does come down to the fact that Lex's inability to handle intimate social relationships in a "normal" manner is what broke down their relationship. Lana saw good in Lex and as Othello pointed out he thought she could redeem him...Clark saw that same potential in Luthor but Lex never is going to fullfill that because IT ISN'T IN HIS NATURE (caps for emphasis not yelling). I wish the two of you could see the point I'm trying to make. I'm not disagreeing with either of the points you've been making but I'm trying to explain why it failed as did his friendship with Clark. They both stem from the same source...Lex Luthor and this is why he will never be a good person. Lex knows that somewhere deep inside of him he can be this great person but because of the way he was brought up and taught ethics and morals he will never amount to that.
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