Size Of The New Enterprise (large images)

[BenRoethig]

When did they say the Constitution ships were delayed for a decade? Did I miss that in the film?

They don't, but its easy to put the pieces together.

1) The accepted behind the scenes launch for the TOS Enterprise is 2245.
2) The cage takes place in 2254.
3) Pike says the AU Enterprise is on her maiden Voyage in 2258, a full 4 years after Spock and Pike were serving on it in the TOS timeline.
4) 58-45=13.

 

[Inquisitive]

Okay, so I was fooling around on the Intel Shipyard website using the Kelvin mini-page along with screen-caps from Trek-Core as reference points in an attempt to approximate the overall length of the USS Kelvin.

Here are the two images I used:

Kelvin Side Shot
Kelvin Reference

Based on the reference from Trek-Core, I assumed that the phaser turret was around 7/8 ft. tall and maybe 6 ft. wide based on how close the body floating in space is to it. I took that point of reference and applied it to the side-view of the Kelvin I ripped from the Intel promotional page.

Using a tool called J-Ruler Pro, I measured the phaser turret on the Intel picture to be around 2 px. wide. I then assumed that those two pixels represented roughly five feet of material. With these assumptions, I proceeded to approximate the various dimensions of the USS Kelvin:

Length (Saucer): ~409 pixels / 311.51 meters (1022 feet)
Height (Saucer): ~105 px. / 8 m. (26.5 ft.)
Height (Saucer - Tip of Bridge to tip of bottom bulb): ~52 px. / 39.7 m. (130 ft.)
Length (Nacelle): ~495 px. / 377 m. (1237 ft.)
Length (Secondary Hull): ~276 px. / 210.31 m. (690 ft.)
Length (Shuttle Bay Door - widest point) ~24 px. / 18.2 m. (60 ft.)
Length (Overall Ship): ~705 px. / 537.21 m. (1762.5 ft.)

I highlighted some of the more interesting approximations from my calculations. According to my data, both the saucer (~311 m.) and the nacelle (377 m.) of the Kelvin are larger than the Prime-Universe Constitution refit. Overall, my approximation puts the Kelvin slightly larger than the Excelsior-class.

Here is a comparison image to better illustrate my calculations. I borrowed the Constitution and Excelsior size diagram from Ex-Astris-Scientia's Size of Excelsior page.

 

[Surefire]

I thought the living part of the ship looked tiny, not any bigger than the TOS Enterprise.

It was the huge engines that to me looked way bigger than the TOS Enterprise. Those engines to me did not look at all proportionally pleasing.

My initial thoughts are that the proportions of the ship may make it look bigger to some people than the ship really was intended to be.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Furthermore, it is rather silly and lazy to just basically take a TMP saucer with most of it's details unchanged, and double the diameter.

What are you talking about? All of the DETAILS were changed completely. The impulse engine, the deflection crystal, the lack of cargo hatches, the sensor pallets, the phasers, the bridge... hell the bottom of the saucer isn't even concave.

Windows and phaser banks for example are very similar than those of the refit.

The windows are not. They are rectangular in a style more similar to the TOS ship compared to the circular/oval Refit. The phaser banks and the sensor ring on the rim of the saucer represent the only obvious details that harken back to the refit, which is hardly problematic since the original model completely lacked any visible weapon emplacements in the first place and it sensors were never identified, so we have nothing to compare it to anyway.

 

[Nerdius Maximus]

Hmmm...Looked small to me. Especially when you see the shuttle bay in the back. Didn't look like a ship that could comfortably accomodate 400 people. The corridors were very claustrophobic as well. Even the bridge seemed small. It looked like a Sharper Image, with all kinds of gadgets on display.
However, I didn't really put much thought into it until I saw this thread. Doesn't increase or decrease my enjoyment of the movie.

 

[GalaxyX]

Did you not see the last decade? Whenever you regulate fiction with 40 years of rules and regulation your stifle the freedom. For Trek to live on we needed characters we (both fans and serfs) could connect with. TNG is played out. DS9 has been off the air for too long for anyone to give a fuck about and people didn't connect with VOY or ENT when they first aired. TOS and it's characters had the name recognition for the causal movie goers and the built-in dedication of a fanbase so it had that ability to energize but it was horribly dated and it's actors are literally dying.

So, what do you do? You update. Sets suck. Ship is dated (don't care what you say but a satellite dish is dated...satellite dishes don't even look like that anymore). The look of the late 60s suck. Beehives suck. Space hippies suck. People don't want to shell out 10 bucks and listen to a bunch of people tell us that racism is bad in a roundabout indirect way.

We get it. You're white on the left, you're black on the left. Show us a lizard man fight or some fencing and move on from the allegory.

So, since you're making a movie for people who weren't even alive when the characters first came out. Reboot. Get rid of all the things holding you back. Give us a bridge that looks like an Apple Store - which, I never understood that gripe since Apple sells the hell out of products. They know how to design stuff. Give us a crew that wasn't born in the depression. ENTERTAIN US.

Or, we could've gotten a crew no one cared about, which was pretty much Nemesis when all was said and done.

AND NOTHING HAS BEEN ERASED. This was explained in the movie by the mere presence of Spock. All you have known and seen still happened, or still will happen rather. We just won't be seeing it again because that would be silly.

I can see how hardcore TOS fans would have issues with the movie, but I thought it was friggin' awesome and exactly what Star Trek needed to be and where it needed to go in today's entertainment world.

Yeah, I know and I agree. It's just hard to swallow, OK, man.

It's like my mom just died and my dad is here telling me he already found me a new, great, hot sexy young mom who's going to make it all better.

I want to like my new mom, but I still miss my old mom because she was so great.

I can see where you are coming from with this. It's unfortunate but actors get old and die. It was actually quite jarring for me to see the old Spock and to see just how old Leonard Nemoy is getting. It breaks my heart to realize that these actors probably won't be with us much longer, but there's nothing we can do.

 

[THE CHEBB]

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Here is a comparison chart I made up. It is to scale.

That is one big ass starship.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

It breaks my heart to realize that these actors probably won't be with us much longer, but there's nothing we can do.

Sure there is: BUY THE DVDS.

I just got TOS-R seasons two and three yesterday after seeing ST-XI for the third time. Nimoy may be mortal, but Spock lives on.

 

[Hyperspace05]

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Here is a comparison chart I made up. It is to scale.

That is one big ass starship.

GEEZ... Why do people keep going out of their way to ignore the much more reasonable 2000ft / 610m length? (Again, ILM staff stated this number in an interview)

It gives you 32 decks with a deck hight of exactly 3.5 meters - GUESS WHAT? Erectly the same deck height as most TNG+ era star ships were designed with.

762 neters gives you a deck heght of 4.15 meters.
900+ meters gives you a deck height of over 5 meters!
C'mon people!!!

I'm starting to wonder if people are just citing these exaggerated figures to justify their dislikes of the design/movie.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

It gives you 32 decks with a deck hight of exactly 3.5 meters - GUESS WHAT? Erectly the same deck height as most TNG+ era star ships were designed with.

What would a space ship need wit a 3.5 meter deck height? I think most modern warships run at 2 to 2.5 meters in deck height. Enterpirse could do the same and come in just under 600 meters, methinks.

But I still lean towards Ambassador sized. If only because the configuration of the ship makes the length somewhat irrelevant.

 

[skippyluvs]

The size is MUCH closer to what is reasonable

 

[EJD1984]

It just dawned on me:

Does all of this mean that the Original Timeline/Universe is actually somewhat more advanced that the new Alternate Universe?

Seems like the Original's technology afforded their ships to be just as powerful, but in a smaller package.

 

[Squiggy]

I dunno. I have a feeling if the Narada would've met the E-Nil or refit, it would've been obliterated since a freaking Miranda class almost kicked it's ass in TWoK.

 

[BenRoethig]

It just dawned on me:

Does all of this mean that the Original Timeline/Universe is actually somewhat more advanced that the new Alternate Universe?

Seems like the Original's technology afforded their ships to be just as powerful, but in a smaller package.

No, it means they didn't have an enemy ship 130 years more advanced to think about.

 

[smegger56]

Did anyone actually see the movie?

Just curious, as NO WAY is the ENT bigger than a galaxy class ship.

Did you see Kirk and everyone else standing UNDER the ship in the Iowa fleet yards? Did you see the size of the shuttle next to the Ent shuttle bay when in space, or near the ship?

I'm sorry, but seeing the ship on film tells me a different story to the size comparison image.

 

[smegger56]

I dunno. I have a feeling if the Narada would've met the E-Nil or refit, it would've been obliterated since a freaking Miranda class almost kicked it's ass in TWoK.

You forget. That the Miranda class in TWOK attacked the Enterprise before it got its shields up. Any ship would've probably suffered terrible damage if that had happened.

 

[urbandk]

I dunno. I have a feeling if the Narada would've met the E-Nil or refit, it would've been obliterated since a freaking Miranda class almost kicked it's ass in TWoK.

Oh oh captain! We took two hits before we put our shields up and now all our systems are down!

 

[EJD1984]

I dunno. I have a feeling if the Narada would've met the E-Nil or refit, it would've been obliterated since a freaking Miranda class almost kicked it's ass in TWoK.

You forget. That the Miranda class in TWOK attacked the Enterprise before it got its shields up. Any ship would've probably suffered terrible damage if that had happened.

Plus, from what we saw at the end of the movie, and Kirk's tactics in general - It's not the size of the starship, but how well you use it.

 

[smegger56]

I dunno. I have a feeling if the Narada would've met the E-Nil or refit, it would've been obliterated since a freaking Miranda class almost kicked it's ass in TWoK.

Oh oh captain! We took two hits before we put our shields up and now all our systems are down!

To quote Spock: 'They knew precisely where to hit us'.

Sorted

 

[smegger56]

I dunno. I have a feeling if the Narada would've met the E-Nil or refit, it would've been obliterated since a freaking Miranda class almost kicked it's ass in TWoK.

You forget. That the Miranda class in TWOK attacked the Enterprise before it got its shields up. Any ship would've probably suffered terrible damage if that had happened.

Plus, from what we saw at the end of the movie, and Kirk's tactics in general - It's not the size of the starship, but how well you use it.

Yep. Kirks ship was F***ed up, yet he still beat the 'superior mind'