Size Of The New Enterprise (large images)

[Trekker4747]

Did anyone actually see the movie?

Just curious, as NO WAY is the ENT bigger than a galaxy class ship.

Did you see Kirk and everyone else standing UNDER the ship in the Iowa fleet yards? Did you see the size of the shuttle next to the Ent shuttle bay when in space, or near the ship?

I'm sorry, but seeing the ship on film tells me a different story to the size comparison image.

Problem is, the numbers we're being told by the creators and what we're seeing on screen isn't lining up. Hell, what we're seeing on screen is hardly lining up with itself!

Yeah, the ship we see in the ship yards and see ejecting the pod, etc. the ship clearly isn't nearly as big as the Galaxy, but when we're told that the ship is 7 or 800 meters long, then the ship IS nearly as long as or LONGER than a Galaxy class!

 

[smegger56]

Did anyone actually see the movie?

Just curious, as NO WAY is the ENT bigger than a galaxy class ship.

Did you see Kirk and everyone else standing UNDER the ship in the Iowa fleet yards? Did you see the size of the shuttle next to the Ent shuttle bay when in space, or near the ship?

I'm sorry, but seeing the ship on film tells me a different story to the size comparison image.

Problem is, the numbers we're being told by the creators and what we're seeing on screen isn't lining up. Hell, what we're seeing on screen is hardly lining up with itself!

Yeah, the ship we see in the ship yards and see ejecting the pod, etc. the ship clearly isn't nearly as big as the Galaxy, but when we're told that the ship is 7 or 800 meters long, then the ship IS nearly as long as or LONGER than a Galaxy class!

That's what i'm saying. I'll take my own eyes over their words. What i see on screen is not a 7-800 meter ship. No way.

 

[Phily B]

I'd like if it was around the size of the Galactica. I always thought that was a realistic size for a starship with so much crew.

 

[miraclefan]

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Here is a comparison chart I made up. It is to scale.

That is one big ass starship.

GEEZ... Why do people keep going out of their way to ignore the much more reasonable 2000ft / 610m length? (Again, ILM staff stated this number in an interview)

It gives you 32 decks with a deck hight of exactly 3.5 meters - GUESS WHAT? Erectly the same deck height as most TNG+ era star ships were designed with.

762 neters gives you a deck heght of 4.15 meters.
900+ meters gives you a deck height of over 5 meters!
C'mon people!!!

I'm starting to wonder if people are just citing these exaggerated figures to justify their dislikes of the design/movie.

Can somebody PLEASE adjust the NU-E to the corrected 2000 f 610m length?

 

[Hyperspace05]

It gives you 32 decks with a deck hight of exactly 3.5 meters - GUESS WHAT? Erectly the same deck height as most TNG+ era star ships were designed with.

What would a space ship need wit a 3.5 meter deck height? I think most modern warships run at 2 to 2.5 meters in deck height. Enterpirse could do the same and come in just under 600 meters, methinks.

Of course it doesn't have to be that way.. It just neatly fits into established Trek 'ship design canon'...(not that there is such a thing)

I'm just pointing out that even taller decks is even more out of whack...

 

[Squiggy]

Can somebody PLEASE adjust the NU-E to the corrected 2000 f 610m length?

 

[Jiraiya]

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487 meters looks about right to me. This gels with my gut reaction to the Engineering scenes: "The pipes don't bug me, but where's the curved walls of the hull? it looks like a box."

Wasn't the deck made of concrete (as you would see in, say a brewery )

I like the 487m as well, it seems to fit.

Remember, according to Orci on Memory-Alpha, the JJ-Prise tech was reverse-engineered from scans taken of the Narada by the Kelvin, so Starfleet would be capable of making it at least big as the C and close to D and E scale

 

[Brutal Strudel]

The only problem with the ship being so big is that we get a sense of scale with the bridge windows and they pretty much indicate the ship is the same size if not smaller than the original. Of course, the vast, cavernous engineeering and hangar decks indicate otherwise but I relly get the sense that this creative team really doesn't give a fuck about such things, and I don't say that perjoratively.

 

[miraclefan]

Can somebody PLEASE adjust the NU-E to the corrected 2000 f 610m length?

Thank you ''Squiggy'' looking at it now, it's not entirely out of the question to have the windows as big as they are at 610m. The windows are about the same size as the Galaxy class.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

I look at that chart and think "Damn, why couldn't this have been the D all along?"

Oh well, as if it matters.

 

[miraclefan]

I look at that chart and think "Damn, why couldn't this have been the D all along?"

Oh well, as if it matters.

Nah! I would have preferd the ENT-E, to have been the ENT-D all along!

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The Ent-E is a fugly piece of badly derivative junk.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

The only problem with the ship being so big is that we get a sense of scale with the bridge windows and they pretty much indicate the ship is the same size if not smaller than the original.

You mean that five-foot bridge window that has the exact same proportions as a nearly identical two-foot detail on the TMP ship?

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I look at that chart and think "Damn, why couldn't this have been the D all along?"

Oh well, as if it matters.

Nah! I would have preferd the ENT-E, to have been the ENT-D all along!

Yeah, because then watching it get destroyed would be alot more fun.

 

[Jiraiya]

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I also favor the smaller ship for this reason. It only took about a minutes for Pike, Kirk, Sulu, and Spock to walk from the top part of the ship to where the shuttle crafts are. It seems to me the turbo lifts in this one just go straight down, now granted that I have no proof of this, but it wouldn't take seconds to walk from one end of a ship to another if the ship were as big as some of you say.

How do you know that they didn't tarvel part of that distance off-screen via turbolift?

 

[Trekker4747]

The only problem with the ship being so big is that we get a sense of scale with the bridge windows and they pretty much indicate the ship is the same size if not smaller than the original. Of course, the vast, cavernous engineeering and hangar decks indicate otherwise but I relly get the sense that this creative team really doesn't give a fuck about such things, and I don't say that perjoratively.

I'm going to say these "scaling problems" are a function of only building models in computers rather than physical ones where ideas and concepts can be better understoond in real, tangable, 3D space.

I suspect it'd be hard to get a "grasp" of the size of the ship you're dealing with when all you can do is click some buttons and up-scale the whole thing by entire factors.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I'm going to say these "scaling problems" are a function of only building models in computers rather than physical ones where ideas and concepts can be better understoond in real, tangable, 3D space.

I suspect it'd be hard to get a "grasp" of the size of the ship you're dealing with when all you can do is click some buttons and up-scale the whole thing by entire factors.

That's nonsense. The opposite is true, since CG meshes can be built in true scale to one another, whereas with practical models many factors - cost, complexity, shooting requirements - establish both an upper and lower size for models.

Therefore, for example, the ST:TMP Enterprise is eight feet long while the little shuttle that brings Kirk and Scotty to the Enterprise is in a whole different scale and therefore much larger in relation to the Enterprise than it should be. The effects directors have to take a lot of care to photograph and composite the models so as to place them in visually correct scale.

The situation is the opposite of what you posit.

 

[MvRojo]

It just dawned on me:

Does all of this mean that the Original Timeline/Universe is actually somewhat more advanced that the new Alternate Universe?

Seems like the Original's technology afforded their ships to be just as powerful, but in a smaller package.

Nah, it just means they got freaked out by how crazy strong the new Romulan ship was and went through R&D and bulked up their ships.

It's like how the Defiant was the product of witnessing the power of the Borg.

 

[Jiraiya]

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I just wish the outer appearance was more in line (scaleing wise) with the interior!

When compared to the interior shot of the Nu-Ent hangar bay upthread, it does fit .

Maybe the dockworkers in Iowa building the E were a 20 ft tall alien species.

 

[miraclefan]

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I just wish the outer appearance was more in line (scaleing wise) with the interior!

When compared to the interior shot of the Nu-Ent hangar bay upthread, it does fit .

Maybe the dockworkers in Iowa building the E were a 20 ft tall alien species.

I take it in this reality the aliens have been taking some pretty strong ''growth hormones''