Siskos prejudice?

[Bad Thoughts]

Wasn't the push for this Trek by DS9 producers as well as creators about TNG and everybody always got along? And they did not want that? Culture clashes did happen.

Yes, they did deal with how people of different cultures interacted. Indeed, cross-cultural relationships can be exhausting, which is addressed in the series.

However, you made it more than that. The word is even in the title: prejudice. Heaven forfend we discuss the topic you brought up.

 

[at Quark's]

Rom - Formed a (gasp) Union!
Keiko - A botanist on a space station.

Not even just the 'good guys' ...

Gul Dukat - ousted from high office several times, only to become a raving maniac in the end,
The Pah' Wraiths , driven from the Celestial Temple at some point in the distant past
That Dominion Alpha Quadrant outpost, utterly isolated from their Gamma Quadrant reinforcements after the wormhole was shut.

 

[Laughing Dragon]

Your original post was talking about the Sisko/Nog scene in "HEART OF STONE" and how you thought Sisko was prejudiced, and I think it's been very well explained by multiple people how it was not Sisko acting out of prejudice.

I don't see people rewording what you said and being able to call it systemic racism.

Uh, I don't think just because more people supported a different viewpoint than mine makes mine invalid. That's completely silly. Popular dos not always mean better. This place isn't good for civilized debate, its more about winning for certain people. So, we should just stop now, right? Ok, let's do that. Agree to disagree. *sigh*

Yes, they did deal with how people of different cultures interacted. Indeed, cross-cultural relationships can be exhausting, which is addressed in the series.

However, you made it more than that. The word is even in the title: prejudice. Heaven forfend we discuss the topic you brought up.

Please, don't put words in my mouth because a word made you uncomfortable. I didn't mean to trigger anyone at all.

Certain people are not being innocent at all. I'd say people on here have been patronizing. And it has been hard to communicate with this. And people are upset with the fact that I said prejudice. What's the difference? I am sure the writers would be scratching their heads. Is it because it is Sisko and not Garak and Dukat? I asked a question because I wanted to know other thoughts, of course. I am trying to bow out and people still seem to be upset. Should have ignored this, I guess, lol. Look Sisko is a good captain, ok? But... I think he went overboard. I mean we call Cardassian's basically racist or see them that way, right? The Bejoran's certainly do. So, I see how the hero being seen this way would cause some hurt feelings. Not my intent. See since so many people here are so much better than me i will have you all starts the threads. Though, my threads have been hit and miss. My last thread dealing with prejudism went pretty good. So... not to group everyone.

ETA: Once again, I'd like to point out, can I say it? Uh... a more favored poster said basically the same words but got a much better response Not the first time. Hum... Bias indeed.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Uh, I don't think just because more people supported a different viewpoint than mine makes mine invalid. That's completely silly. Popular dos not always mean better. This place isn't good for civilized debate, its more about winning for certain people. So, we should just stop now, right? Ok, let's do that. Agree to disagree. *sigh*


Please, don't put words in my mouth because a word made you uncomfortable. I didn't mean to trigger anyone at all.

Certain people are not being innocent at all. I'd say people on here have been patronizing. And it has been hard to communicate with this. And people are upset with the fact that I said prejudice. What's the difference? I am sure the writers would be scratching their heads. Is it because it is Sisko and not Garak and Dukat? I asked a question because I wanted to know other thoughts, of course. I am trying to bow out and people still seem to be upset. Should have ignored this, I guess, lol. Look Sisko is a good captain, ok? But... I think he went overboard. I mean we call Cardassian's basically racist or see them that way, right? The Bejoran's certainly do. So, I see how the hero being seen this way would cause some hurt feelings. Not my intent. See since so many people here are so much better than me i will have you all starts the threads. Though, my threads have been hit and miss. My last thread dealing with prejudism went pretty good. So... not to group everyone.

ETA: Once again, I'd like to point out, can I say it? Uh... a more favored poster said basically the same words but got a much better response Not the first time. Hum... Bias indeed.

Let's put this to bed. Sisko is the lead character in a franchise where the lead, even in a series that is morally complex, is the hero. The moments when his morality was called into question were all deliberate, measured to serve specific kinds of stories, never haphazardly. If the writers or Behr took things too far, they would have to answer to the studio. Such was the nature of Star Trek in the 1980s and 90s.

Second, Sisko, as the lead, is the center of attention, more often than not is the POV, and has the bulk of the dialogue throughout the series. He has the most direct interactions with almost every character. His opinions, just on the basis of how central Sisko is, will be based on experience by necessity. The characters who annoy him are shown doing things that are obviously annoying. When Sisko is annoyed that Quark and Nog insert themselves into his trip with Jake to the Gamma Quadrant, it is based on their actions. Obviously, there are differences of opinion about privacy and personal space in play, but that is not prejudice. When Nog asks why he won't commit to writing a recommendation, Sisko tells him directly that it is based on his reputation and his run-ins with the law. I suspect most of us would find that a reasonable explanation.

Third, the secondary story of this episode is designed to give one character, Nog, the opportunity to argue that he can and will grow. All Sisko does, in the overly dramatic manner of television, is lead Nog to his cathartic admission.

In the end, the deck is stacked in his favor. Sisko will look like a hero. He will be a hero.

You started this thread as an off-center take on a prominent character. Fine. I believe I have done so in the past, and I received push back. However, I did not start making accusations or calling out individual posters. It's rather arrogant to assume no one would disagree, moreso that youe would be apoplectic that we would find evidence that contradicts your interpretation. You also say that people here are either insensitive to deliberately downplaying race. As a man who has a Jewish father and a Mexican mother, I'd rather you shove off. I've lived with the specter of prejudice, and I have seen people ignored and passed over because they looked different or their behavior didn't conform to norms.

 

[Tosk]

Is it because it is Sisko and not Garak and Dukat?

The question regarding Sisko having prejudice doesn't bother me at all. Sisko does have some 'feelings' about the Ferengi.

But I'd argue it's not necessarily prejudice as that would indicate his opinion is not based on experience. Perhaps stereotyping would be slightly more accurate?

He has had dealings with Ferengi who act a certain way, and he maybe struggles a little to put that aside when he interacts with Ferengi who do not act that way.

Sisko's aggressive manner in the scene originally mentioned is still not to do with prejudice or whatever though. He is acting that way to get Nog to explain himself.