Should a new Stargate show be a reboot or a revival?
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(Google says) David Blue lost 90 pounds between 2008 and 2010, and cute as a Button, he said that he lost the weight for "Eli" (his character from Stargate Universe) as much as himself, most probably is because of the fat shaming in the show, when in all likelihood the producers would have been enraged if David lost weight during SGU, because it would have knocked the wheels off his love triangle where the only reason that the cute little girl wouldn't boff him was because she was afraid of his spare tire dislocating one of her hips, and they hired him, exactly him because he was a big boy and they wanted to abuse him for being a sad virgin.
I saw David on Danger Force last year and was amazed by the change.
A lot of commendable work.
Eli in the comics also lost a lot of weight because he was running out of food, and took to running the deck, to deal with the isolation, but that happened in 3 pages, and seemed like worse fat shaming by extracting all that girth "effortlessly" rather than dealing with the fact that he might just be genetically inclined to be a larger man.
His mother is thin, maybe his father was a burly lumberjack?
As much as I want Eli to get the girl who won't have him because's fat, Chloe, I also want him to realize that he can do better than a woman who cannot look at him naked without cringing.
Young perfect people + 20 years = little guts and saggy buts (%80 percent of the time).
Thin Eli needs a new Star Gate to show off his swimsuit body in.
I saw David on Danger Force last year and was amazed by the change.
A lot of commendable work.
Eli in the comics also lost a lot of weight because he was running out of food, and took to running the deck, to deal with the isolation, but that happened in 3 pages, and seemed like worse fat shaming by extracting all that girth "effortlessly" rather than dealing with the fact that he might just be genetically inclined to be a larger man.
His mother is thin, maybe his father was a burly lumberjack?
As much as I want Eli to get the girl who won't have him because's fat, Chloe, I also want him to realize that he can do better than a woman who cannot look at him naked without cringing.
Young perfect people + 20 years = little guts and saggy buts (%80 percent of the time).
Thin Eli needs a new Star Gate to show off his swimsuit body in.
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The Star Gates are designed like a speak and spell, so that after the "species" has fallen to barbarism and rebuilt culture and technology, after hundreds, or thousands of years, to the point that they open a worm hole, it's more of an IQ test, than requiring a a super genius to invent a totally new science.
Daniel Jackson did not figure out the Stargate, but he still thinks that, which is dumb.
They really need to rework that.
And this. The incoming gate spinning makes no sense. Does every gate in the galaxy spin until the 7th symbol locks in? Why would the incoming gate spin at all?
Never been said before but...
Every Gate that has the first chevron in their address starts spinning, when that chevron is selected as the first chevron in a dialed out address, then as another Chevron is selected on the dialing gate, it disqualifies thousands of gates, and thousands more gates, as well as locations where there are no gates, but if there was a gate there it wouldn't be where they are going, until the last chevron is dialed and the wormhole can only go to one place.
With a reboot you could go in crazy directions like having the Stargate become public from the get-go and it almost causing WW3.
There's no way our real life political situation would be what it was if everyone was secretly operating a Stargate joint program together since the time of SG1.
There's no way our real life political situation would be what it was if everyone was secretly operating a Stargate joint program together since the time of SG1.
IIRC, the incoming gate spinning was just one of those early years weirdness things that was eventually dropped.
Blue has said that he was open with the writers that he was working off the weight when he was hired and that was something they kept in mind for their long-term plans, and had already started losing it by the time the show ended.
The love triangle had already pretty much been resolved when Eli got together with the pirate-engineer who ended up trapped in the ship's computer. If they were going to revisit it down the line, I think the more honest thing would be for Eli to be put off if Chloe changed her mind about him as a potential love interest just because his appearance had changed. Probably the best thing would be for them both to mutually decide after an obligatory near-death hook-up that if they were ever really going to become a couple, a few extra pounds wouldn't have stopped them, and some new abs didn't change who they were inside.
They showed the SG-1 'gate spinning up for incoming wormholes through the run of the show, though the specifics of what it was doing were inconsistent (SGA and SGU did have fixed, predetermined "incoming" behaviors for their stargates from day one).
I have a head-canon for this. The solution is that all faster-than-light travel involves some degree of time-travel as well. Not just for complicated causality reasons, but also because different planets have different masses, and are traveling relative to each other at different velocities, so time is passing at a different rate on each of them. So what's happening is that when a stargate finishes dialing out, it sends a signal to the receiving stargate that it has an incoming wormhole and it needs to begin warming up, and all the information on the time-differential between them. The receiving stargate does its thing, and then both gates synchronize their frame of reference to when they each kawoosh. If there's a problem with the receiving gate, it says so, and chevron seven doesn't lock on the sending gate.
Now, if both sides were to compare notes, that could get pretty weird. If SG-1 dials in to Earth from a DHD as quickly as possible, say, five seconds between hitting the first key and hitting the big red button, and then called in to the SGC and asked Walter when the stargate started reacting to the incoming wormhole, it could've been ten or twenty seconds before they even touched the DHD.
An idea:
You have your main character be a refugee that the SG1 rescued as a kid, and let them be raised on Earth. Fast forward to day, he/she has joined the Air Force/Space Force/Homeworld Defense and lead or be a part of an new SG team, get the Jack Clone be a part of it ( the actor who played him is still acting, so give him a chance, he's 36 now).
Again with my previous example, have them find another stargate network that maybe a branch of ancients created, or another speices created ( the Tolan made stargates...) Have Carter as a General leading the base, Maybe have Daniel on as an advisor. So there ya go, new team, new stargate, new enimies etc. Great for a new series.
You have your main character be a refugee that the SG1 rescued as a kid, and let them be raised on Earth. Fast forward to day, he/she has joined the Air Force/Space Force/Homeworld Defense and lead or be a part of an new SG team, get the Jack Clone be a part of it ( the actor who played him is still acting, so give him a chance, he's 36 now).
Again with my previous example, have them find another stargate network that maybe a branch of ancients created, or another speices created ( the Tolan made stargates...) Have Carter as a General leading the base, Maybe have Daniel on as an advisor. So there ya go, new team, new stargate, new enimies etc. Great for a new series.
Honestly, I would bring in Japan, India and European Space Authority as allies, after the last Ori attack basically knocked Russia and China out of the space race.
It occurs to me that the social upheavals resulting from the public revelation of the Stargate program etc. could be treated as an allegory for the upheavals of the pandemic era. In both cases, the world now feels radically different than it used to. So it could fit the established SG universe while still feeling like a reflection of our times.
new religions, some may worship the Gould, or Origin, or the acceded ancients. Maybe a story on a cult that worships 1 particular ancient, and gives him/her/it greater power than others.
But Stargate wasn't like Trek in that it really didn't delve as much into current social issues, as i remember.
I dunno, they certainly addressed religious fundamentalism with the Ori storyline or even in the S8 episode Icon on a smaller scale.
Yeah, Stargate did the Trek commentary thing too. Actually, better at times. Felt like MASH sometimes.
I like this idea.
Even if you change some of the details, you need to keep the basic design and operation of the same, they work fine and I don't see any reason to change them. It's the same as with the TOS Enterprise, no matter how much the details change with each version, the basics still stay the same.
I think you could keep the core visual of a circular portal and the "water pool" effect," but the details of the operation could be revised and streamlined -- in the way that, say, the reboot Galactica, Vipers, etc. had the broad shape of the original designs but reinterpreted in a new way.
If they did reboot, I wouldn't mind ditching the silly "constellation" mechanism, which never really made sense, since constellations are arbitrary social constructs, different cultures define them differently, and of course planets around different stars would have different constellations, not to mention that the stars move over time so the constellations would've been different thousands of years ago, let alone millions. At least the movie had the relative sense to establish that Earth's and Abydos's Stargates had different constellation symbols, while the series used the same Earth-based constellations for every Stargate, making no sense. It's the only thing the movie did that was smarter than the series version.
And just to be clear, while my preference would be for a continuation of the rich universe the series established, I've never said that a reboot couldn't work -- just that I don't find it as satisfying a prospect. It could be done well with the right idea, as anything else could, but I'd regret losing the chance to continue the existing universe. Of course, either a reboot or a revival could be mishandled as well.
Yeah, changing the constellation thing is the kind of change I'd be OK with. I mainly just mean keep it a giant ring, that spins to show the coordinates, and then does the big water whoosh effect when it effect when it opens. Pretty much anything else would be the kind of details that don't really matter in the grand scheme of things.
I don't need it to spin. The Atlantis gates didn't spin.
If I were rebooting Stargate, I'd want to divorce it from the stupid ancient-astronaut stuff, aliens built the pyramids and all that crap. Not only is it hackneyed, an embarrassing relic of '60s-'70s pop culture that Devlin and Emmerich dragged out of the mothballs where it should've been left, but the ancient-astronaut stuff popularized by Erich von Daniken and others back then was literally rooted in Neo-Nazi ideology, the white-supremacist belief that non-white cultures were too unintelligent to have created sophisticated civilizations without alien help. So it's an ugly notion that I'd like to see the franchise purged of. (Not that I'm accusing D&E or SG's TV producers of realizing or supporting the racist underpinnings of the idea, since they were always veiled and subtextual, a dogwhistle that racists would recognize but others would miss. I ate up all that UFO/ancient astronaut malarkey as a gullible kid in the '70s, but I didn't learn about its Nazi roots until sometime within the past 10-15 years, I think.)
But I'm not sure what I'd replace it with. For the purposes of a mid-budget cable TV series, the conceit of aliens abducting ancient humans and transplanting them across space was an effective way to populate the galaxy with humanoid cultures without the silliness of parallel evolution (the SG franchise did occasionally have humanoid aliens, though, and its take on evolution just got sillier and sillier as it went on). Maybe there could be a way to have that without tying into ancient-astronaut lore, like maybe they took humans in prehistory and didn't actually rule ancient cultures on Earth.
If I were rebooting Stargate, I'd want to divorce it from the stupid ancient-astronaut stuff, aliens built the pyramids and all that crap. Not only is it hackneyed, an embarrassing relic of '60s-'70s pop culture that Devlin and Emmerich dragged out of the mothballs where it should've been left, but the ancient-astronaut stuff popularized by Erich von Daniken and others back then was literally rooted in Neo-Nazi ideology, the white-supremacist belief that non-white cultures were too unintelligent to have created sophisticated civilizations without alien help. So it's an ugly notion that I'd like to see the franchise purged of. (Not that I'm accusing D&E or SG's TV producers of realizing or supporting the racist underpinnings of the idea, since they were always veiled and subtextual, a dogwhistle that racists would recognize but others would miss. I ate up all that UFO/ancient astronaut malarkey as a gullible kid in the '70s, but I didn't learn about its Nazi roots until sometime within the past 10-15 years, I think.)
But I'm not sure what I'd replace it with. For the purposes of a mid-budget cable TV series, the conceit of aliens abducting ancient humans and transplanting them across space was an effective way to populate the galaxy with humanoid cultures without the silliness of parallel evolution (the SG franchise did occasionally have humanoid aliens, though, and its take on evolution just got sillier and sillier as it went on). Maybe there could be a way to have that without tying into ancient-astronaut lore, like maybe they took humans in prehistory and didn't actually rule ancient cultures on Earth.
One idea could be that there were aliens and had a culture here, but had to flee some sort of cataclysmic event, like an ice age, or such, leaving humanity to their own devices but the Stargate buried in some place like Antartica, or the Artic, speaking to a time of pre-history of humanity. You avoid the "ancient alien" traps you mentioned while giving some idea to humanity being spread throughout the galaxy. I believe Halo's prehistory has a similar idea of humanity's growth, contraction and then growth again.
Or, another idea, have a manned mission to Mars and find it there.
Oh, I thought it did. Never mind about the spinning then.
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