Spoilers She-Hulk: Attorney at Law discussion thread

Not to derail your point, but watching interviews with Gao, she wanted to have Jen get the blood transfer from Bruce accidentally because she didn't think MCU Bruce would risk turning Jen into a Hulk with a blood transfusion like the comics.

The show is developing the Banner/Walters family a lot so dealing with Bruce's current loneliness in a way that sets up introducing his son wouldn't be at all surprising.

 

I liked the ginger female child he had with Thundra better than Skarr.

It's like comparing Conan the barbarian to Barbarella the Barbarian.

 

Substituting Skaar for a version of Lyra isn't a terrible idea. And hell, why not use both and make them twins?

 

I was wondering if the Leader did not have a sex drive?

Well, I started by wondering if Sam had kids.

High IQ = Low EQ. (false, but I just watched four seasons of Scorpion, and it's a term that they kept repeating.)

If it was just about orgasms, he could make a pill.

But it's a question of legacy, who is going to lead the world after the Leader dies?

Clones, immortality, consciousness transference, and artificial insemination.

If the Leader perfected the orgasm pill, that's a product that would corner every market, and supplant every currency.

He could take over the world.

 

Then I suggest you consult a therapist.

 

Banner has a lot of kids.

If you get to the end of Immortal Hulk the Sterns and the Banners have been connected since the 1800s. Metaphysical experiments 2 centuries ago connects their blood line to the "Green Door" and the death dimension that makes all Hulks immortal.

Even Jennifer came back from death at least once.

Oh.

Answered my own question.

Immortals are not concerned about legacy.

 

I do sometimes feel like this is a new issue. I remember the big hoo-ha because the toy companies weren't producing Black Widow action figures when the Avengers films came out, because they didn't think boys would be interested. Even setting aside the fact that girls might want these toys, as someone who grew up in the 70s and 80s my Princess Leia action figures were as important to me as Luke, Han etc. And Palitoy had no issue making figures that represented the entire cast.

And of course talking of Leia there she was in the 70s and 80s kicking stormtrooper arse and saving the blokes as often as they had to save her. Maybe even, whisper it, saving them more often?

Heck go back to 1969 and Diana Rigg's Tracy fights as well as Bond, skis as well as Bond and drives as well as Bond in OHMSS and probably had way more agency than a lot of the Bond girls that followed her had.

 

And I valued my Teela and Evil-Lyn figures just as much as my He-Man and Skeletor. I don't know when toy companies (and entertainment media in general) got so dumb about making money.

 

The counter-argument of the Critical Drinkers, Geeks and Gamers and Nerdrotics of the world is that Ripley and Sarah were natural players in the stories--that their response to the situation felt realistic, instead of female characters in present day media, where they believe the women are hyped-up, infallible Mary Sue types while their male counterparts made to appear ineffectual and/or stupid.

 

I think there may be some times where there's a bit of a point but it seems they've put the cart so far in front of the horse that they can't even see the forest for the trees (to totally mix my metaphors). I remember reading in the comments a furious discussion and analysis over whether Prey was indeed woke, as this will ultimately matter whether the movie was any good. I saw Angry Joe just posted a video about how people were really angry that he gave She-Hulk a positive review despite those moments, like how could it possibly be OK even if there's one or two scenes they don't like. Look at how many critics will say She-Hulk was shown to be more powerful than Hulk apparently just judging based on the trailers and scuttlebutt.

 

I remember the lack of MCU-Black Widow action figures criticism, and at the same time, Disney/Marvel was criticized that there were no MCU films with female leads, either. If one looks at the history of the Marvel Legends action figure line when manufactured by Toy Biz, then, early into the Hasbro acquisition, there were a large number of female characters produced (including versions of a comic-based Black Widow), so Toy Biz and later Hasbro (at the time) did not see producing female characters as a problem.

It seems once figures based on the MCU were planned, either Disney and/or the company's demographic studies seemed to lead them to the conclusion that there were not enough females collecting the figures, and with males not interested, they were not going to "waste" the budget on R&D, tooling, etc., for a MCU version of Black Widow.

On the DC side, not only did the comparable DC Direct and Mattel's DC Universe Classics lines produce numerous female characters, but recent history female characters based on the DCEU and TV series have been produced from the start, with toy manufacturers realizing that their consumer base were/are not so single-minded / sexist in their tastes.

 

Yes and no about the new issue.

It is an issue since men ruled the world and "kept women in their place" but ever since the 1900s women were slowly fighting back, becoming the most prevalent in the 60s and 70s which is when these female characters you mentioned originated. However, and i might be wrong, these are about the only female mainstream characters out there ( save for a few on moderately successful TV shows). None of these apart from perhaps Ripley in Alien actually carried the movie/show, they always had men by their side which were arguably even more popular or at least more important to the story. Let's face it - how is Leia important to the general plot of A New Hope? She's basically a strong damsel in distress and helps to get out of the Death Star when the men get somewhat stuck but that's it - men stop Darth Vader and men blow up the Death Star and at the end she gets to look pretty and hand out medals. Roll credits.

I only see actual systematic change since about the 2000s, maybe even only when MeToo started and it's slowly improving. It might be a subjective feeling but i think the ratio of female writers, directors, producers and actresses with actual leading roles is increasing - it's nowhere near parity with men but it is improving i believe.

 

Ripley was only a woman because Sigourney Weaver wanted and won the role. Her character works so well because it was written as a man. Sarah Conner was significantly changed in Terminator 2 because (I imagine) Linda Hamilton had a lot of say at that point in how the character should be written. Other "strong women" (in quotes because I don't like the term) of those decades, while being great role models and examples, also fell prey to how men felt they should be seen and how they should act. For all the great characteristics of Buffy and Scully, their flaws or weaknesses can be seen as traditionally female by modern standards.

I agree with FPAlpha that it is only in the last few years we have seen more women in positions of control over the movies that are being made and how women are portrayed on screen reflects that. Many people have a reaction against this because it creates a situation where they have to make room in the sandbox that has been theirs (maybe I should say ours as I am a man) for others that are not white, male to play in and just like in real life--when different kids are allowed to play in that "sandbox" the rules of the game naturally change.

Dakota Fanning, in an interview, discussed how filming the The Lost Daughter was such a different movie making experience for her because Maggie Gyllenhaal filmed her in a way that did not represent the "male gaze", which is how women have almost always been filmed in movies made by men.

 

Action hero template Vasqez from Aliens, was John's fostermother in Terminator II.

It's called acting.

 

Cousin Larry is Jen's dad?! I hope Balki shows up to dinner next week I'm absolutely loving this show so far.

 

Episode 2: Things are starting to come into focus now…

The seven ‘penpal soulmates’ Blonsky’s talking about are obviously the soon-to-be Thunderbolts: Val, Yelena, US Agent, maybe Red Hulk* and three others. And we get the Wong connection too with the fight club footage.

Daredevil will clearly be representing the families of those killed in Abomination’s Harlem rampage, so he’s showing up next episode! And we pick up on the Sakaaran ship thread Immediately, with the Hulk ushered off-series to await WWH.

Marvel’s marketing has been on point so far, so I’m really looking forward to Titania’s Insta/Snapchat/TikTok etc.

* if they signed an all-digital actor/AI voice deal with William Hurt before his death, that is.

 

Loved this episode. Love the fact she missed the entire conversation

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with her new boss

because she was talking to us. LOL And the tie-in to

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Shang-Chi?

Heck yeah. The end credit scenes continue to be hilarious.

 

Jameela Jamil played as Wonder Woman for me earlier today on DC League of the Super Pets.

 

Another terrific episode that balanced fun humor while navigating the harsh realities of everyday sexism that Jen has to face, both as herself and as She-Hulk. I appreciate how the show dealt directly with the idea of her being hired as a lawyer for the law firm purely as a mascot. I hope that's something they continue to explore as Jen tries to prove her legitimacy as a lawyer and that she's not simply a "privileged" person with superpowers.

Lots of great jokes from the Ally McBeal cameo to the subversion of the classic Silence of the Lambs gag, but I especially loved the joke about Bruce being literally a different man.

Speaking of Bruce, looks like he's heading to Sakaar! That's a good way to get Bruce out of the picture for most of the season so Jen can take the full spotlight. I imagine we'll get the big reveal about his trip at the end of the season. It is curious how Bruce was able to make that extended long-distance phone call, but I guess he used the same technology Fury used.

Seems like we're going to get a post-credits gag scene with each episode and I look forward to seeing what else we get now that they've already done the obvious "family abuses superpower abilities" gag.