SG-U – Incursion Part1 (1x19) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

[David cgc]

The last thing we heard about the Odyssey was that it was on a secret mission in the Atlantis finale. Considering that the writers haven't said jack about anything not related to the Destiny crew, it's entirely possible that the SGC is waging a war against the Alliance or something.

That's something else that's been bothering me. SGU has implied that Earth has been in active conflict with the Lucian Alliance for the past few years now.

Landry did say that Earth was officially at war with the Lucian Alliance after they tried to capture the Odyssey and killed Colonel... guy who was commander of the Odyssey.

Still, the Lucian Alliance is a mafia with spaceships, spread throughout the galaxy. They hardly have the ubiquitous stranglehold the Goa'uld did, or that the Wraith had on Pegasus. Your odds of running into "excitement" were probably much higher in the Pegasus galaxy than in the Milky Way, especially compared to the bad old days. Ninety percent of encounters with the Lucian Alliance are probably spying, stings, convoy disruptions from the safety of a 304, breaking up protection rackets, and other things that don't get the blood flowing like shooting up a bunch of serpent-helmeted SOBs then planting some C4 in the pyramid before the guy wearing Liberace's cast-offs shows up to melt your brain with his hand-jewelery.

No, that episode dealt with ticks they picked up while on some planet previously, not one that they picked on up on a planet that episode.

When they first found the ticks, Chloe made a sarcastic crack along the lines of "Welcome to the new galaxy," and at the end of the episode, they stopped at a new planet. Auto-dial, countdown clock, the works. Now, sure there are stars in the intergalactic void, but I think the impression they wanted to give is that we've left Ersatz-Sombrero behind, and have arrived in the ersatz... hm, looks like Ersatz-Bode's Galaxy, but it's too small to be sure.

Incidentally, Bode's (M81) is nowhere near the Sombrero Galaxy (M104), and is in fact less than half the distance from Earth as it, proving there was no deep thought that went into which pretty pictures were used for the backdrops in "Sabotage," which I humbly admit. I'd still like to use the names, though, just because they have more personality than "the first galaxy," "the second galaxy," "that one with the aliens that looked like the Na'vi and the Prawns got it on," "that one with the sociopath ticks that got off on causing emotional suffering," and so on.

 

[gturner]

Incidentally, Bode's (M81) is nowhere near the Sombrero Galaxy (M104), and is in fact less than half the distance from Earth as it, proving there was no deep thought that went into which pretty pictures were used for the backdrops in "Sabotage," which I humbly admit.

Sadly, Bode's galaxy (M81) suffers under the iron rule of Bode's Law.

We should free it!

 

[Danny99]

- Was I the only one who laughed at loud when the LA soldier got steamed after the gate shut off?
- Is T.J. their only medic? Cause there is no other excuse for leaving a pregnant woman, military or not, in that situation.
- Let’s negotiate! Damn why couldn’t they have captured Wray and then shot her for being a bitch! Every word that comes out of her mouth makes me want to twist her larynx.
- What’s the big deal about Rhona Mitra? Sure she’s decently attractive, but her acting skill is about one step above Ming-Na’s.
- Chloe still shows no purpose.
- The fact that they keep bringing Jack and Sam back only leads me to believe that the powers that be have no confidence in the new series. Let them stumble and let them fall and then perhaps they will succeed.

 

[gturner]

If SGU is like Star Trek TNG then Eli and Chloe will find Destiny's holodeck, wasting all of season 2 and half of the rest of the seasons playing make-believe.

I agree with the prior comment that evacuating the air beforehand was dicey, and what wasn't mentioned is that the LA might have their own version of a MALP. I'd also point out that the LA would know Go'uld and Jaffa tactics, and surely if evacuating a gate room created an unbreachable defense then the Go'uld would've developed a counter to it since they were constantly boarding and seizing each other's ships. Perhaps that's what the fancy Jaffa headgear was for, though this was never addressed in SG-1.

My approach would've been to hang a large banner in Destiny's gate room saying

WELCOME LUCIAN ALLIANCE SOLDIERS!
We've been waiting forever for your arrival...

If you like food, water, and air,
(and don't like fire, radiation, and poison gas
which is in all the red barrels with the
nifty antennas sticking up), then please
deposit your weapons in the blue barrels
we've conveniently provided and see the concierge
about getting a luxurious room aboard this
fantastically entertaining vessel.

--- The Management

 

[Hermiod]

I gave this 5/10. In general, I dislike this sort of hostage taking story and I don't like the Lucian Alliance as villains. Hopefully their presence will be minimal beyond the end of the season.

Spoiler: Next Season

Yes, I know about Robert Knepper.

I'm going to weigh in on the Goa'uld vs Earth style weapons thing. Goa'uld weapons are useless for a military incursion. You're lucky if one shot in five actually hits anything. Goa'uld weapons are designed to scare the slaves, Earth weapons are designed to kill your enemy. Their weapons are only useful against frightened villagers who are weaker than they are.

 

[Tom]

Well since they can't get back to the Milky Way there is only 3 possiblities for the LA invaders:

- They all get killed off.

- The surviving LA are gated to a habitable planet and left there.

- Some of the surviving LA stay on Destiny (sort of like a Voyager Marquis/Starfleet situation, but more harsh)

 

[Robert Maxwell]

I suspect we'll end up with very few LA by the time all this is over, because I doubt the SGU writers really want to tackle a Voyager situation. Even if they do, they'd go about it just like Voyager--everyone would be one big, happy family by the fourth episode.

 

[Agent Richard07]

- The fact that they keep bringing Jack and Sam back only leads me to believe that the powers that be have no confidence in the new series.

Or maybe they see them as nice little touches. That's how I see their inclusion.

 

[cylkoth]

I'm going to weigh in on the Goa'uld vs Earth style weapons thing. Goa'uld weapons are useless for a military incursion. You're lucky if one shot in five actually hits anything. Goa'uld weapons are designed to scare the slaves, Earth weapons are designed to kill your enemy. Their weapons are only useful against frightened villagers who are weaker than they are.

There were Goauld style 'flash' concussive bombs that we've seen used, that would knock out anyone far better than the Earth like grenades that were used by the LA here. Staff weapons are more deadly than the projectile guns-don't blame the staffs for the lame shooting the scripts demanded of the Jaffa!
In other words, a force armed with Gouald weapons should fair better against a group armed with limited current Earth weapons. The reason the LA weren't using anything advanced, is because this show is deliberately more real and gritty than the previous action themed series, and laser bolts with weird sound effects wouldn't be considered adult enough.

 

[bullethead]

I'm going to weigh in on the Goa'uld vs Earth style weapons thing. Goa'uld weapons are useless for a military incursion. You're lucky if one shot in five actually hits anything. Goa'uld weapons are designed to scare the slaves, Earth weapons are designed to kill your enemy. Their weapons are only useful against frightened villagers who are weaker than they are.

There were Goauld style 'flash' concussive bombs that we've seen used, that would knock out anyone far better than the Earth like grenades that were used by the LA here. Staff weapons are more deadly than the projectile guns-don't blame the staffs for the lame shooting the scripts demanded of the Jaffa!

The SGC developed a body armor insert that makes staff weapon blasts less effective. Plus the damn things are a pain in the ass to maneuver in confined quarters, but they could've just cut them in half, given them pistol grips and iron sights, and viola! a good weapon for the Alliance and/or Free Jaffa.

 

[Hermiod]

There were Goauld style 'flash' concussive bombs that we've seen used, that would knock out anyone far better than the Earth like grenades that were used by the LA here. Staff weapons are more deadly than the projectile guns-don't blame the staffs for the lame shooting the scripts demanded of the Jaffa!
In other words, a force armed with Gouald weapons should fair better against a group armed with limited current Earth weapons. The reason the LA weren't using anything advanced, is because this show is deliberately more real and gritty than the previous action themed series, and laser bolts with weird sound effects wouldn't be considered adult enough.

Well, maybe to that last part, but I seem to recall the four members of SG-1 slaughtering waves of Jaffa with their supposedly inferior weapons on more than one occasion.

 

[Brent]

Bullets at the speed of plot

the Jaffa have always been lousy aims

I say equip a properly trained person with a Zat or other energy weapon, maybe a Staff cut in half? A sawed off Staff Weapon? And I bet they could do a lot of damage. Staff Weapons may be a symbol of fear, but they do emit a powerful blast, so modify the thing and you could inflict damage alright.

 

[Hermiod]

Properly trained ? All Jaffa do is train!

 

[Ensign_Redshirt]

I'm OK with the inclusion of O'Neill, Jackson, and Carter as recurring characters. The show sets itself sufficiently apart from SG-1 though an entirely different tone and style. And the Stargate franchise had always more crossovers than Star Trek (although in the case of Atlantis' first season O'Neill, Jackson, Carter, and Hammond each appeared only once).

 

[arch101]

This is pretty damn funny. Back during the Dominion War, the BBS was filled with posts complaining about the lack of cameos by the Enterprise or TNG characters where they would have been appropriate. Now, I'm seeing LOTS of posts about the "wasted" and "pointless" cameos by the SG-1 folks. I guess people will never be happy.
I, for one, enjoy the cameos and am enjoying SGU immensely. It's turning out to be a pretty interesting show and I'm sad to see it go away for awhile after next week.

 

[Brent]

This is pretty **** funny. Back during the Dominion War, the BBS was filled with posts complaining about the lack of cameos by the Enterprise or TNG characters where they would have been appropriate. Now, I'm seeing LOTS of posts about the "wasted" and "pointless" cameos by the SG-1 folks. I guess people will never be happy.
I, for one, enjoy the cameos and am enjoying SGU immensely. It's turning out to be a pretty interesting show and I'm sad to see it go away for awhile after next week.

It isn't that we don't want cameos, we are just concerned about how they are being utilized.

 

[firehawk12]

Well, I see these more as the Voyager cameos when Troi would show up with Barkley for no reason other than TPTB decided to throw in some TNG characters as a stunt.

The thing with DS9 is that it was just extremely strange that the flagship of the Federation didn't show up for any of the important moments - even the climatic battle that ended the war.

Heck, I still maintain that the strangest thing to happen on Atlantis was that Earth's foremost Ancient expert (who himself ascended and then came back to tell the tale) didn't bother going to their super secret base... or come to think of it, their super secret 9th chevron space ship. Instead he's leading military ambushes and whatnot.

 

[The Wormhole]

Landry did say that Earth was officially at war with the Lucian Alliance after they tried to capture the Odyssey and killed Colonel... guy who was commander of the Odyssey.

Which was pretty much ignored. In fact, the Lucian Alliance only appeared on SG-1 once after that.

Ninety percent of encounters with the Lucian Alliance are probably spying, stings, convoy disruptions from the safety of a 304, breaking up protection rackets, and other things that don't get the blood flowing

Well, the implication is that there is some serious action going on between Earth and the Lucian Alliance. They've attacked two of Earth's bases, Kiva and her goons were hanging out on Earth, presumably meaning there is some sort of semi-permanent Lucian Alliance presence on Earth.

- Is T.J. their only medic? Cause there is no other excuse for leaving a pregnant woman, military or not, in that situation.

Apparentally. There was an actual doctor on Icarus, but he was killed in the attack. Since arriving on Destiny, TJ is the only one who seems to have any medical skills whatsoever.

Staff weapons are more deadly than the projectile guns-don't blame the staffs for the lame shooting the scripts demanded of the Jaffa!

The message behind Stargate is that Earth weapons are in fact more practical than the staff weapons. Just take The Warrior for example where O'Neill showcases the P-90 for the Jaffa. And indeed, as the show went on we see more and more Jaffa using Earth weapons. Several rebel Jaffa, including Bra'tac were armed Earth weapons when they took Dakara in season 8. In fact, in season 9 Teal'c even gave up his staff weapon and was using a P-90 on all his missions for the remainder of the series.

This is pretty damn funny. Back during the Dominion War, the BBS was filled with posts complaining about the lack of cameos by the Enterprise or TNG characters where they would have been appropriate. Now, I'm seeing LOTS of posts about the "wasted" and "pointless" cameos by the SG-1 folks. I guess people will never be happy.

Bit of a different situation. The Dominion War was supposed to be a big deal with serious implications for the entire Alpha Quadrant. The TNG characters are supposed to be Starfleet's best and brightest. The crew of Starfleet's most advanced state-of-the-art starship. Why the hell aren't they fighting one of the greatest threats the Federation has ever faced?

Obviously, DS9 is its own show and bringing TNG characters could have been a distraction and get in the way, however a cameo or prominent guest role in one episode couldn't have hurt. Hell, a referance to the Enterprise involved in some engagement against the Dominion would have been satisfactory.

To make matters more odd, in Inusrrection even depicts the Enteprise as not having any serious involvement in the war.

The thing with DS9 is that it was just extremely strange that the flagship of the Federation didn't show up for any of the important moments - even the climatic battle that ended the war.

Well, part of that had to do with Paramount's weird rule against showing a Sovereign class ship in a TV show so that it could remain a movie-only ship. Seriously. Rumour is is that the producers fought to include a Sovereign class ship (possibly even the Enterprise E) in the battle in DS9's finale but Paramount just wouldn't allow it.

Heck, I still maintain that the strangest thing to happen on Atlantis was that Earth's foremost Ancient expert (who himself ascended and then came back to tell the tale) didn't bother going to their super secret base... or come to think of it, their super secret 9th chevron space ship. Instead he's leading military ambushes and whatnot.

Well, Daniel wanted to go to Atlantis since day 1. O'Neill wouldn't allow it then. Eventually, Hammond selected him for the Prometheus's trip there, though that was put on hold when Vala hijacked the ship. Vala again prevented Daniel's next trip to Atlantis, and after that he had to stay in the Milky Way to help fight the Ori.

It is odd that he hasn't used the stones to visit Destiny yet.

 

[firehawk12]

Well, I understand why Daniel couldn't head over to Atlantis - the practical reason of keeping SG1 going. But when they went out of their way to replace Weir with Carter and then Woosley, that just seemed like a missed opportunity.
At this point they might as well have the Jaffa find an Icarus planet and have Teal'c launch a rescue mission to Destiny for all the sense it would make.

As for DS9... what a wasted opportunity.
It was such a tease when they brought in Thomas Riker. It's nice that they brought back that character since it is so uncharacteristic of Star Trek to acknowledge continuity, but yeesh. I suppose the fact that I don't have a Klingon fetish renders the whole Worf thing kind of meaningless to me as well.

 

[TiberiusMaximus]

^While I suspect you are being sarcastic, I would love to see Teal'c! I like the cameos, especially since they're more background characters than show stealers.