It would have been funny if Teal'c showed up in Rush's chair hallucination as that Shaft parody from 200. 
SG-U – Incursion Part1 (1x19) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)
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The first half had something that this series has been sorely missing for most of its run--a notable pace. Unfortunately, the second half slackens that pace somewhat, and the episode isn't over after fifteen minutes by making the characters profoundly stupid. Why doesn't Young vent the atmosphere in the gate room preemptively? Allegedly, because he's worried about killing Telford and Rush. So, why doesn't he disconnect the stones? That would have kept Rush out of danger, and probably made it impossible for the Lucian Alliance to dial Destiny in the first place!
And why doesn't he bother explaining his reasoning (an act which would have taken all of 20 seconds) to Scott or Wray (or anyone else)? It's a big gamble, but it's one that doesn't make any sense without an explanation. And if Young is so worried about Telford and Rush later in the episode, he seems awfully cavalier with their lives here--he brings Telford (in Rush's body) to the brink of death and is damned lucky that he's able to resuscitate him. Probably would have made sense to have TJ around for that--at least she's a medic. The only reason he's able to follow through with this insane move is the backing of Greer, whose characterization in the past few episodes has been that of a psychopath--albeit one with unbreakable loyalties to his commanding officer. Previous episodes suggested he would be provided some deeper characterization, but lately he's been more of an angry black man (tm) than ever before.
Next up there is Eli and Chloe. Chloe once again proves that she is profoundly useless as a character, serving once more as a damsel in distress for one of our heroes to rescue. If she's killed off next week (or in the season two premiere) her loss would be absolutely nil.
I liked Carter's presence, and it makes sense that O'Neill is in charge at the Pentagon. Daniel has a blink and you'll miss it appearance via some file footage. Nothing much worth complaining about--that can mostly be levied at Daniel as hallucination and Daniel as secret agent from previous episodes.
Hopefully the pace picks up again next week and the characters start acting with a few brains for once. Young is rapidly trying to displace Weir as the worst commander of the franchise.
6/10.
And why doesn't he bother explaining his reasoning (an act which would have taken all of 20 seconds) to Scott or Wray (or anyone else)? It's a big gamble, but it's one that doesn't make any sense without an explanation. And if Young is so worried about Telford and Rush later in the episode, he seems awfully cavalier with their lives here--he brings Telford (in Rush's body) to the brink of death and is damned lucky that he's able to resuscitate him. Probably would have made sense to have TJ around for that--at least she's a medic. The only reason he's able to follow through with this insane move is the backing of Greer, whose characterization in the past few episodes has been that of a psychopath--albeit one with unbreakable loyalties to his commanding officer. Previous episodes suggested he would be provided some deeper characterization, but lately he's been more of an angry black man (tm) than ever before.
Next up there is Eli and Chloe. Chloe once again proves that she is profoundly useless as a character, serving once more as a damsel in distress for one of our heroes to rescue. If she's killed off next week (or in the season two premiere) her loss would be absolutely nil.
I liked Carter's presence, and it makes sense that O'Neill is in charge at the Pentagon. Daniel has a blink and you'll miss it appearance via some file footage. Nothing much worth complaining about--that can mostly be levied at Daniel as hallucination and Daniel as secret agent from previous episodes.
Hopefully the pace picks up again next week and the characters start acting with a few brains for once. Young is rapidly trying to displace Weir as the worst commander of the franchise.
6/10.
Yeah, I never got why Young didn't vent the atmosphere down to a level that could sustain an unconscious individual. I guess he was worried that an SG team might come through, but I still would've vented the atmosphere and knock out anyone who came through on the off chance the Alliance tried to disguise themselves as SG personnel.
Since they have the stones, I doubt any SG team would come through without advanced warning, and even if they did dial the gate they'd likely send a radio signal first.
On the contrary, it could have been a spur of the moment thing. Example, the Hammond could have beamed troops down, the troops arrive in the pyramid's gate room in time to see the Lucian Alliance run through the gate. The ground begins shaking, and remembering the pyramid is shielded and not seeing any other options, they follow through the gate.
This was actually something I was thinking/hoping would happen.
Well, remember how in the old SGC they had these mounted machine guns pointed at the gate?
I don't get why they didn't just shoot guys as they popped out. Or "zatted" them if they have any of those weapons lying around.
I don't get why they didn't just shoot guys as they popped out. Or "zatted" them if they have any of those weapons lying around.
Did no one die on either side in the firefight and both sides only got a few prisoners/hostages, I was trying to see but becuse Destiny's corridors are so dark it was hard to make out who was who?
Regarding the actual incursion, if venting the atmosphere wasn't an option then why couldn't they turn off the gravity running in that area making the LA more or less immobile and easy targets, or at least increase the gravity making them totaly unable to move?
Regarding the actual incursion, if venting the atmosphere wasn't an option then why couldn't they turn off the gravity running in that area making the LA more or less immobile and easy targets, or at least increase the gravity making them totaly unable to move?
Have we ever seen them show that they have the ability to adjust the gravity on destiny?
No, the only thing like that was Eli engineering a sled made up of Kinos which since we can see no method of propulsion we assume it is anti-gravity based.
As far as I can tell, the only confirmed death so far was the Lucian Alliance guy that melted.
As for the gravity issue, this particular issue is always overlooked in sci-fi. How often have we seen a ship completely crippled, no lights, no working computers, failing life support, and yet the artificial gravity still works perfectly?
I wouldn't say it's overlooked, I would say "it's expensive as fuck to pull off without looking like utter shit" So let's gloss over it.
I think that Lt Scott should have stood his ground with Col Young instead of caving in so easily. Young has a point; junior officers should follow orders even if they have doubts. However, when an order appears to be illegal then a junior officer has every right to challenge that order and request clarification. Suffocating both Rush and Telford pretty much qualifies as an order that appeared to be illegal. Scott was in the right.
I hate how every sci-fi show with a military or semi-military organization gets this wrong. 'I was just following orders' didn't work for the Nazis or any other soldiers, and Young telling Scott to have blind faith in him is stupid. There's a difference between insubordination and knowing what someone has the right to order and what they don't have the right to order.
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On the other hand Lieutenant Scott did try to stop what he saw as illegal and Master Sergeant Greer stopped him. Real world not guide books LTs as a general rule do not stand up to full Colonels, they rarely see them. LTs do pay careful attention when Master Sergeants disagree with them as they are still being trained by senior NCOs. When both are against you and your only backup is a civilian who see the situation as her chance to command the icky gunmen its to LT Scott's credit that he did try to stop Col. Young.
On the other hand Lieutenant Scott did try to stop what he saw as illegal and Master Sergeant Greer stopped him. Real world not guide books LTs as a general rule do not stand up to full Colonels, they rarely see them. LTs do pay careful attention when Master Sergeants disagree with them as they are still being trained by senior NCOs. When both are against you and your only backup is a civilian who see the situation as her chance to command the icky gunmen its to LT Scott's credit that he did try to stop Col. Young.
1) As has been shown in SG1, radio transmissions can go both ways regardless of the Wormhole direction.
2) (And this was dumb as the Leader was told, "If I dial now everything will blow up..."); but they thought they'd be able to keep the 'Icarus planet' intact, and thus go back and forth as needed. When they did know it had blown up though, what else can they do except take control of the ship?
Why didn't Young vent the gate room's atmosphere, waited until everyone of the L.A. including Rush/Telford was unconscious, then pumped the atmosphere back and revived Rush only.
Problem solved. It would have been the same thing he did to Telford right at the beginning of the episode. Cut off the air, let everyone die, revive Rush.
L.A. could have still busted this plan by opening the doors.
Problem solved. It would have been the same thing he did to Telford right at the beginning of the episode. Cut off the air, let everyone die, revive Rush.
L.A. could have still busted this plan by opening the doors.
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Why is everyone acting like this is BSG and the enemy are machines? Killing POWs by any method is just as bad as when everyone thought that Telford/Rush was being tortured/murdered. You have to revive them all so no matter what you have a Maquis on steroids problem next season.
Why is everyone acting like this is BSG and the enemy are machines? Killing POWs by any method is just as bad as when everyone thought that Telford/Rush was being tortured/murdered. You have to revive them all so no matter what you have a Maquis on steroids problem next season.
^I agree, people say on one hand that torturing Rush/Telford was wrong but it's alright to asphyxiate the 'bad guys'?
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