I never realized I needed to see hippie Klingons calling the 32nd Century Federation “a bunch of uptight Herberts,” before now.
Seriously, where are the Klingons??
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I never realized I needed to see hippie Klingons calling the 32nd Century Federation “a bunch of uptight Herberts,” before now.
Exactly.
Not at all. "Affliction"/"Divergence" established that only a fraction of the Klingon population, numbering in the millions, lost their ridges to the infection. That means that most Klingons still did have ridges; for whatever reason, none of them happened to serve on the Klingon ships we saw in TOS. (My favored theory is that the ridged Klingons still ruled and the smooth-headed QuchHa' were relegated to serving on the borders as cannon fodder.)
And as drastic a redesign as the DSC Klingons were, they were the eighth distinct Klingon design we've seen over the decades, with most designs adding new innovations and elaborations on what came before. We started with the Kor/Kang version with swarthy skin and trifurcated eyebrows, then took a detour into the Kras/Koloth version with no makeup at all. TMP's version introduced the forehead ridge, but it was a single spine-like ridge bisecting a smooth cranium, and was the same for every Klingon. The Burman Studios ST III version introduced individualized full-forehead plates and subtler female ridges. The Richard Snell ST IV-VI version basically streamlined that, with smaller plates and finer ridges. The Michael Westmore version followed the Burman precedent but added nasal ridges and eliminated the gender dimorphism. The Neville Page Kelvin Timeline version added a full-head prosthetic and bright eyes to make the Klingons look even more alien than before. And the Page/Hetrick DSC version takes that increased alienness even further -- although that was dialed back somewhat in DSC season 2, with the cranial appliances getting smaller in the back.
So no wrench was thrown; this was just the latest iteration in a pattern that's been ongoing for four decades. Either we can assume that Klingons have always had a wide range of phenotypes, or we can just accept that this is what happens when different artists interpret the same subject.
I like the wide range of PhenoTypes idea.
If the Xindi can have:
Xindi-Primate
Xindi-Arboreal
Xindi-Reptilian
Xindi-Insectoid
Xindi-Aquatic
Xindi-Avian
all 6 different Sentient & Sapient beings evolve together on the same home planet.
I see no issue with Klingons have a wide range of phenotypes that we only get to see a small aspect of said phenotypes at any given time.
After the War with the Sphere Builders in the 26th century, the Klingons left the Federation to wage war with the Zakdorn, to test the Zakdorn’s millennia-long reputation of having the greatest innate strategic minds in the entire galaxy. And got beaten so bad that they decided to give up the warrior lifestyle and became pacifist farmers. They also gave up dilithium centuries before the Federation did.
Me too, and I keep hoping that someday we see a screen production that shows multiple different Klingon makeups at once -- like Picard did with the two different Romulan designs. It would've been nice if Discovery season 1 had done that in the scenes where the Klingons of different Great Houses gathered for their conferences, a different design for each House. Instead they all had the same design.
Or all 8+ different PhenoTypes from the same family lineage, including hybrids of said designs.
I thought it would be neat if the Federation President was a Klingon. The producers decided to make her (part-)Cardassian, on the basis that Cardassians were Federation enemies but having one as President shows the passage of time and how friends can become allies and so on and so forth. But this message would have been much more powerful with a Klingon, a species the series showed us were so utterly evil and alien in the first couple seasons. Having Burnham face-to-face with a Klingon President, in whatever form, would've given us a chance to show her, and the Discovery crew, the chance to overcome their prejudices and embrace diversity even more.
We don't even know if they know what a Cardassian is, so the message there is lost on them.
We don't even know if they know what a Cardassian is, so the message there is lost on them.
I don't think the message was addressed to them.
I don't think the message was addressed to them.
No, it was addressed to us. But it would've been more powerful with a much more recent "villain". Ideally, there might be a few Discovery fans who have no idea what a Cardassian is.
Your opinions are like with out honor, man.- Chancellor D'Ude
Impossible. There are no new fans.
Exactly.
This would be interesting. The current state of the Klingons have been explored so extensively in so many series the only way it makes sense to bring them back is with a radical overhaul.
Ah, Chancellor D’Ude, best known for replacing the once ubiquitous symbol of Klingon culture the bat’leth by popularizing the non-lethal rad’leth, better known by the Federation as a “Klingon hacky sack.”
Not just part-Cardassian, but Cardassian/Bajoran/human. So it's not just the Federation-Cardassian rift that's healed.
There was also that Ferengi Starfleet captain in the briefing at the start of "Anomaly."
why wouldn't things be upgraded and changed later in a sequel in an era that hasn't been shown before?
That's a good point, I think the anti-continuity folks just feel like 'I just wanna be entertained, so continuity can go out the window' XD
IMHO, 14% of TOS, 77% of TAS, 2% of TNG, 3% of DS9, 1% of VOY were completely unnecessary. Does that mean they didn't happen in the story, in that universe?
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