Aw man.
Is it doom and gloom o'clock already?
Is it doom and gloom o'clock already?
Spoilers Section 31 General Discussion Thread
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When isn't it?
Kurtzman works hard around the clock, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, trying to destroy the franchise.
The review embargo isn't a good sign. There should be non-spoiler reviews allowed much earlier than two days before.
Looks like I'll probably think this is a Guilty Pleasure.
Looks like I'll probably think this is a Guilty Pleasure.
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Star Trek movie star is "terrified" about how new film Section 31 will be received by fans, as he feared it “might not feel like Trek at all"
Exclusive: Section 31 actor Robert Kazinsky gets candid over the Star Trek: Discovery spin-off's bold new direction in the new issue of SFX
It has to be a marketing move to get non-trekkies to watch, right
The pearl-clutchers are going to react however they react, and I've disagreed with them about all kinds of things. But the studio not allowing advanced reviews from professionals is something else.Star Trek movie star is "terrified" about how new film Section 31 will be received by fans, as he feared it “might not feel like Trek at all"
Exclusive: Section 31 actor Robert Kazinsky gets candid over the Star Trek: Discovery spin-off's bold new direction in the new issue of SFXwww.gamesradar.com
It has to be a marketing move to get non-trekkies to watch, right
Embargos are common........screeners went out to LOTS of people last week. They want people to WATCH and not have everything spoiled.......as always I will watch and decide for myself.
Star Trek movie star is "terrified" about how new film Section 31 will be received by fans, as he feared it “might not feel like Trek at all"
Exclusive: Section 31 actor Robert Kazinsky gets candid over the Star Trek: Discovery spin-off's bold new direction in the new issue of SFX
It has to be a marketing move to get non-trekkies to watch, right
I'm not sure why Kazinsky is so worried, unless he believes that this movie will be some kind of jumping-off point for his Star Trek career.
And at the end of the day, so will I. The silver lining here is I've disagreed with several reviewers in the past as well.
It's an actor hedging his best against a mob. Smart move.Star Trek movie star is "terrified" about how new film Section 31 will be received by fans, as he feared it “might not feel like Trek at all"
Exclusive: Section 31 actor Robert Kazinsky gets candid over the Star Trek: Discovery spin-off's bold new direction in the new issue of SFX
It has to be a marketing move to get non-trekkies to watch, right
The more things change the more they stay the same.
There's probably a reason why it took people a while to warm up to each of the '90s Trek series. My theory is it's because they all had a terrible first season with episodes that people have not grown to love over time. Code of Honor, The Last Outpost, Angel One, Lonely Among Us, Justice, Haven, Too Short a Season, When the Bough Breaks... if Section 31 can hit that level of quality, I'm sure it'll be considered an underrated gem in 20-30 years. 
Interesting bits (what I like and what I dislike):
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- Movie instead of series meant faster pace, more action, different production style than the other new shows. Being action-heavy, always have something happening, was Osunsanmi's goal. (
) One noticeable difference to Disco is a phase fight, an extended Dune-esque battle spread across sets, moving through walls, which on Disco would've used one set, but in 31 uses 7 different ones. The film barely lets up on the action for the full running time. (
) The fight at the end goes on for quite a while (
), but has an ambitious emotional aspect.
- We get some insight into the emperor's early life
- Still feels like Star Trek, but in contrast to procedural, typical Star Trek, with naval moral dilemma episodes, 31 is more of a ragtag group who break moral traditions, but still untraditionally morally motivated, pointing in the direction of ultimate good, but using more circumvent-y ways
- A Discovery set was turned into a Terran set, Federation HQ was turned into a Section 31 outpost safe house
- Zeph is really happy to just be bouncing around, and really enjoys smashing stuff (wonderful...
). He constantly augmented himself with tech and accidentally injured his spine so much that he now needs the Borgish suit to function (like a wheelchair would in previous times), with parallels to Geordi's perspective on disability
- There will be Klingons and Andorians in it (let's see which version...)
- The central concept is that there is no black and white since even the best and most moral people that have ever lived had to do bad things for progress (
), and that you can root for the middle. Another theme is Georgiou's multifacetedness, that there’s more sides to a person than one.
- The Chameloids are different from the Founders and other shapeshifters, and Quasi doesn't trust Georgiou at all because she's a murderous rogue. The yellow contact lenses were suggested by the actor as a tribute to Martia, they thought he wouldn't need them as a shapeshifter and his eyes could be anything (while in TUC they always stayed)
- Section 31 in this movie is the covert arm of the Federation (not of Starfleet, and what is SI then?)
- It was Yeoh's idea to change from series to movie, and she was heavily involved in the entire production process
- Section 31 opens up new possibilities to grow the franchise with more to come if successful
Lost era console (?) and Zeph's suit
) One noticeable difference to Disco is a phase fight, an extended Dune-esque battle spread across sets, moving through walls, which on Disco would've used one set, but in 31 uses 7 different ones. The film barely lets up on the action for the full running time. () The fight at the end goes on for quite a while (), but has an ambitious emotional aspect.- We get some insight into the emperor's early life
- Still feels like Star Trek, but in contrast to procedural, typical Star Trek, with naval moral dilemma episodes, 31 is more of a ragtag group who break moral traditions, but still untraditionally morally motivated, pointing in the direction of ultimate good, but using more circumvent-y ways
- A Discovery set was turned into a Terran set, Federation HQ was turned into a Section 31 outpost safe house
- Zeph is really happy to just be bouncing around, and really enjoys smashing stuff (wonderful...
). He constantly augmented himself with tech and accidentally injured his spine so much that he now needs the Borgish suit to function (like a wheelchair would in previous times), with parallels to Geordi's perspective on disability- There will be Klingons and Andorians in it (let's see which version...)
- The central concept is that there is no black and white since even the best and most moral people that have ever lived had to do bad things for progress (
), and that you can root for the middle. Another theme is Georgiou's multifacetedness, that there’s more sides to a person than one.- The Chameloids are different from the Founders and other shapeshifters, and Quasi doesn't trust Georgiou at all because she's a murderous rogue. The yellow contact lenses were suggested by the actor as a tribute to Martia, they thought he wouldn't need them as a shapeshifter and his eyes could be anything (while in TUC they always stayed)
- Section 31 in this movie is the covert arm of the Federation (not of Starfleet, and what is SI then?)
- It was Yeoh's idea to change from series to movie, and she was heavily involved in the entire production process
- Section 31 opens up new possibilities to grow the franchise with more to come if successful
Lost era console (?) and Zeph's suit
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Presumably because he would like for the movie to be largely well-received.
My favourite Okudagrams
(I think Mike originally designed that interface style)I was going to say LCARS, but that wouldn't be era appropriate, I think.
no, those are clearly late TOS movie-lost era controls (to me at least). DSC's interfaces did have squares, but not like that, at not with some of those colours.I wasn't sure if the Disco controls didn't already look like that, I remember the Disco 31 ship having some kind of LCARS style already, so maybe this is not the lost era but the Disco time
the Section 31 ship in Discovery had more TNG inspired looking panels, except blue.
Edit: SNW season 2 also had a late TOS movie panels on the False Flag ship for some reason.
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The green and blue are very pleasing to the eyes.
If the reviews were spoiler-free, those are a thing, and if said reviews were positive, I've never heard of a positive review making someone on-the-fence decide not to see a movie. A positive review would make such a person more likely to watch it.
No one ever says, "I'm not going to see the movie! The reviews are good!" No one. It's only a problem if the reviews are negative.
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