Spoilers Section 31 General Discussion Thread

[Alexander Corrino]

I honestly kinda hope it's bad, at least in a special way because I have a thing for stuff that's considered "so bad that it's good". I mean I name TNG's first two seasons as my favorites.

 

[BillJ]

I hope that folks who choose to watch it have a great time with it. Just don’t think it is for me.

 

[Campe]

If I'm even mildly entertained, that's a win for me. And sometimes, yes, that's, "It's so bad it's good."

 

[Jayson1]

If it is bad at least Star Trek might stop using Section 31 so much. Nobody has used them as well as DS9 IMO.

 

[HotRod]

If it is bad at least Star Trek might stop using Section 31 so much. Nobody has used them as well as DS9 IMO.

I actually like how Enterprise used them.

 

[Jayson1]

I thought they did okay as well. It also does make more sense that since the Federation wasn't created yet they would be more of a public agency at that time.

 

[Mudd]

S31 is as much Trek as TOS, TNG, or anything else.

Well, so is "women can't command starships," but people want that one to disappear too.

Section 31 was dumb, imitative tinfoil-hat melodrama at its inception, appealing to underthought cynicism rather than grounded in "realism," and has just gotten dumber and dumber since.

 

[Dukhat]

As I've said before, I really hope the movie is good.
But I really think it's gonna be dogshit.

Honestly, the only reason I’m interested is because it takes place during the Lost Era. But I’m also worried that the Lost Era as depicted in this movie will suspiciously look like a cross between DSC and PIC, and have nothing distinguishing it from those eras other than a phaser.

 

[fireproof78]

What's the worst that happens if it is bad?


I don't get it. Oh no, it's bad. The people who didn't want it will get what they want and I'll get less Trek content.

Oh no...


And I don't mean this flippantly. I'm genuinely confused by those who don't want this movie yet seem to worry over its performance. If it performs poorly, we won't get any more Trek movies, which is exactly the amount we're getting now.

So what changes exactly?

 

[Noname Given]

Seriously now, what is wrong with you guys? Do you feel cozy in your little thought-jail bubble. Why the fuck aren’t you angry about the shitty degradation of our favorite franchise?

Hey, this TOS fan survived years and years of Berman and Braga garbage

(Seasons 1, 2, 6, & 7 of TNG, DS9 S1, plus all 7 seasons of VOY come to mind - utter garbage IMO but others milage may very. )

Star Trek is at its base escapist entertainment, it's not Shakespeare.

 

[Commander Troi]

Things haven't degraded that much, even if the movie is bad. We still got SNW. Picard season 1 and especially 3 were good. So was Lower Decks and Prodigy. Also I do think it;s been mentioned how we will get a season 4 from the best one of the bunch in our beloved STAR TREK:ORVILLE.

 

[DaveyNY]

If it doesn't get enough views (Hate or otherwise), then we get no more Trek for God knows how long.

I'm always willing to take the not-so-good with the great, just so we keep getting, something.
I already lived through the dry periods, it wasn't really fun.

 

[Commander Troi]

Star Trek is at its base escapist entertainment, it's not Shakespeare.

Even when it quotes or bases itself on Shakespeare?

 

[fireproof78]

If it doesn't get enough views (Hate or otherwise), then we get no more Trek for God knows how long.

I'm always willing to take the not-so-good with the great, just so we keep getting, something.
I already lived through the dry periods, it wasn't really fun.

I don't mind dry periods.

Some days I more want no content than new for people overreact to.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

If it doesn't get enough views (Hate or otherwise), then we get no more Trek for God knows how long.

I'm always willing to take the not-so-good with the great, just so we keep getting, something.

The way I see it, if a Batman & Robin does really well, we get nothing but neon and bat-nipples for the next few years. If it fails hard we eventually get The Dark Knight and The Batman.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Still rooting for that already failed project? Did you notice how very little advertising is shown for a „movie“ with a best actress academy award winner in it? They already gave up on that project, even before it got first released.

Seriously now, what is wrong with you guys? Do you feel cozy in your little thought-jail bubble. Why the fuck aren’t you angry about the shitty degradation of our favorite franchise?

So many people around here willingly lapping up whatever they are given, using mental gymnastics in order to justify the constant lowering of their expectations. All you do is meme and point at „haters“.

You know what you are? You are nothing more than a bunch of shitty consumers…

How DARE any of us enjoy something you don't!!!!!

 

[Tosk]

If it doesn't get enough views (Hate or otherwise), then we get no more Trek for God knows how long.

Yeah, no. The future of all Trek does not rely on S31's viewer numbers.

 

[Dukhat]

If the Section 31 movie fails, all that will happen is that they won’t make TV movies anymore. They might even go so far as to believe that Section 31 isn’t a thing to focus on anymore. And I would be fine with that.

 

[Jayson1]

Honestly, the only reason I’m interested is because it takes place during the Lost Era. But I’m also worried that the Lost Era as depicted in this movie will suspiciously look like a cross between DSC and PIC, and have nothing distinguishing it from those eras other than a phaser.

To me the Lost Era should look lots like the TOS movies with some early TNG stuff, like the early holodecks. The Romulans should mostly be absent and a focus on the newly created alliance between the Federation and Klingons. Also a kind post Cold War tone from that alliance and maybe the early stages of Federation life starting to fill like a utopia and massive expansion in exploration with more and more ships being created and more and more of them having creature comforts that make them less like submarines.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Riker had never seen a holodeck before the Enterprise D so I hope they avoid showing one in Section 31.

Yeah I know Disco portrayed Section 31 as cool Men in Black with secret future technology, but I still don't want to see them.