ENT did it first.The only things that are canon in TAS are the things that Lower Decks decided to bring back
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We know they had solid forcefield technology (see: Shuttlebay, when TOS explicitly had to decompress/recompress) so it's fair to say they were solid.
We have AI NPC's now. No chance that gets lost in World War 3.
Maybe they didn't smell as real, or something.
The only things that are canon in TAS are the things that Lower Decks decided to bring back
Actually the only real canon is "STAR TREK:ORVILLE. Everything else was Benny Russell writing stuff down in a mental hospital back from the 60's to 2004 or so. After a long life he passed away and some new patient was put in his room and he was named Gary Troup who also just got done writing Lost in another mental hospital and who looked ALOT like J.J Abrams. He loved the Benny Russell writings on the wall and decided to do his version of Trek starting with a reboot and then Discovery.
Why is it every time I click on this thread (titled "Section 31 news thread"), no one is ever talking about Section 31?
Granted, I get why no one wants to talk about it. Perhaps we'll keep the tangential conversations going into and beyond the premiere ... and we can just pretend it never happened?
Granted, I get why no one wants to talk about it. Perhaps we'll keep the tangential conversations going into and beyond the premiere ... and we can just pretend it never happened?
Perhaps because the speculation about the show has run its course after 100 pages of discussion here, and folks are now waiting to actually watch it in a couple of weeks, before continuing on ...
Yeah, and they vanished when they were shot instead of acting like how an actual person would.
Again, I’m not sure why that’s relevant to the discussion. The holograms looked real, as did the holographic surroundings. So a holodeck by any other name was in existence in the 2250’s, a century before everyone acted like it was some new thing. Just because it wasn’t being used for recreational purposes doesn’t negate what it was.
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No.
I would love to talk about the show. I love the idea of a "not what Trek fans want" type show because I'm tired of comfort food attitude towards Trek. For all the clamoring that Trek "pushed limits" or was "on the cutting edge" a lot of the content feels less of that and more comfortable inside a little box.
I won't be pretending it didn't happen. I don't see the value in doing so.
Indeed. It's like comparing video games now vs. 20 years ago. Animations have improved, realistic plant life and air movement, and appearance tactile nature improve.
With Discovery holograms they didn't feel real in a "this is a person standing right in front of me" sense but in a "this is an NPC" with limited animations or articulations.
A combination of nothing really to new to say about it and going off topic is the very nature of Trekbbs posting.
So, presuming the guy who saw the leaked footage is telling the truth, I really have one major question: Since we know the planned project was retooled so much from the end of DIS Season 3, why did they keep the Section 31 moniker at all?
I mean, it looks like they're basically trying to go for a Suicide Squad vibe here. Maybe shades of Guardians of the Galaxy, or even The Fast and the Furious. Fun, dumb action schlock. None of that requires Section 31 be involved. Indeed, my memory of Terra Firma is pretty vague now, but I don't remember Carl saying that wherever Georgiou ended up, she'd be in Section 31 again - just that she'll be put where she's needed.
So, then, why do a Section 31 movie, when it can be just a random set of ragtag antiheroes? Michelle Yeoh is the selling point here, not Section 31 as a concept, which has always been a divisive idea within Trek (though I know Kurtzman loves it, for some reason). I can't imagine that many more people will tune into a movie called "Star Trek: Section 31" then "Star Trek: ____"
I mean, it looks like they're basically trying to go for a Suicide Squad vibe here. Maybe shades of Guardians of the Galaxy, or even The Fast and the Furious. Fun, dumb action schlock. None of that requires Section 31 be involved. Indeed, my memory of Terra Firma is pretty vague now, but I don't remember Carl saying that wherever Georgiou ended up, she'd be in Section 31 again - just that she'll be put where she's needed.
So, then, why do a Section 31 movie, when it can be just a random set of ragtag antiheroes? Michelle Yeoh is the selling point here, not Section 31 as a concept, which has always been a divisive idea within Trek (though I know Kurtzman loves it, for some reason). I can't imagine that many more people will tune into a movie called "Star Trek: Section 31" then "Star Trek: ____"
Probably because:
1. They've always had a hardon for Section 31, so why change that now?
2. They'd been advertising the Section 31 series for some time before plans changed, and they still wanted the name recognition.
Now with that said, we'll still have to wait and see just how different the concept of S31 is between this movie and how it's been depicted in the past. As of now, we know that it was secret in the ENT era, was common knowledge in the DSC/SNW era, then what we will see in the 2330s, and then by the 2360s-70s it's completely unknown. No, none of that makes any sense, but we can't make presumptions until we see the film.
Well Star Trek: Renegades was taken and Star Trek: Rebels sounds too Star Wars.
The premise should have been Georgiou getting sent back to the 25th century of the mirror universe. The fledgling Federation-like government has set up 31 as an inverse of what it is in the prime universe. It would also mean that Georgiou would have to really confront the atrocities of the Terran Empire while insuring the new government doesn't fall back into the old ways of the empire.
To me, if you wanted an MCU/Action movie vibe to this, Guardians of the Galaxy is not the template for Section 31. What would have made sense to me is something modeled off of Captain America: Winter Soldier.
That's a movie which has the fun Marvel vibe, but it also does the idea of a clandestine organization and its repercussions to society in a very significant and meaningful way.
My biggest problem with how Section 31 has been used since Discovery is that they're either shown to be buffoons who do stupid things (which is the total opposite of the nebulous organization in DS9 that could outsmart genetically engineered intellects and was capable of executing a genocidal plot), or they're supposed to be a secret organization that's not a secret with their own black combadges.
Yeah, the closest equivalent to Section 31 in Marvel would be Hydra, though the comparison's far from perfect. They're a challenge to the Federation's utopia, so making a movie about them being goofy misfits who ultimately save the day is just baffling.
I'm not a "blame Kurtzman" guy by any means, but I really think he just fundamentally misunderstood Section 31, seeing it as a way he could potentially have Fringe-esque elements within the Trekverse.
My guess is because Yeoh likes it.
It has the potential to be quite intriguing. One, we know that the Klingons and Federation are moving towards peace and learning peaceful coexistence after decades of hostility means change.
Two, assets that were used before to fight such a war become less important and less supported. So Section 31 may have been useful during a war time period, but now they're tasked with something much different.
Ultimately, this is entertainment first, not proselytizing so I'm not sure what's so baffling here.
I suspect Yeoh just wants to fulfill her contract and get the heck out of Dodge. She has movie offers now. I doubt she wants to be doing Star Trek.
Why?
Based upon what? Every interview I've read says Yeah has pushed for this and wants to participate in it.
This comment makes no sense based upon limited information.
No, she loves playing Georgiou.
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