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News Season 2 will be the last (show cancelled)

Well, the fanbase really wanted Legacy, and got teen angst in the 32nd century. So, no surprise here...
Not this fan. (But to be fair I didn't care for SFA 90210 either.):shrug:

For those that did, sorry your show got cancelled; but you do have 10 more episodes to watch a year or so from now.
 
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I just pointed a friend, who is an academic and professor (sciences) and also in the reserve armed forces, to have a look at SA as her potential entry point to Trek. I really couldn't not do that could I?

It set me thinking what she was going to potentially nitpick (although she is the type in my experience that is well able to "just run with it").

So this is what she came back with.

1) Swallowing the com badge and cadet Pickford. She asked me what the point of the character was and why she was never used again. And how she ended up swallowing the com badge. Was she hazed into it or was she just holding it in her mouth while zipping up her uniform.

2) Doesn't really see that the level of advancement portrayed is right for 1000 years in the future,. She has no baseline Trek to refer back to.

3) She doesn't get why the pool of applicants for SFA is small enough to be taking serial criminals (even with nepotism in play). Her point is that surely after a dry period, there would be built up latent demand.

4) She wants to see more of "the ginger chick".

5) She loves Vance. She thinks she recognises Oded from somewhere else.

6) 1.5 made no sense to her and she felt excluded. She's watched 8 episodes in 6 days but 1.8 brought her to a halt while she goes off to look up Our Town (we're in the UK). She thinks she'll watch the rest over the next week or two.

7) She asked when the next season airs. I didn't tell her it was going to be last.
 
I just pointed a friend, who is an academic and professor (sciences) and also in the reserve armed forces, to have a look at SA as her potential entry point to Trek. I really couldn't not do that could I?

It set me thinking what she was going to potentially nitpick (although she is the type in my experience that is well able to "just run with it").

So this is what she came back with.

1) Swallowing the com badge and cadet Pickford. She asked me what the point of the character was and why she was never used again. And how she ended up swallowing the com badge. Was she hazed into it or was she just holding it in her mouth while zipping up her uniform.

2) Doesn't really see that the level of advancement portrayed is right for 1000 years in the future,. She has no baseline Trek to refer back to.

3) She doesn't get why the pool of applicants for SFA is small enough to be taking serial criminals (even with nepotism in play). Her point is that surely after a dry period, there would be built up latent demand.

4) She wants to see more of "the ginger chick".

5) She loves Vance. She thinks she recognises Oded from somewhere else.

6) 1.5 made no sense to her and she felt excluded. She's watched 8 episodes in 6 days but 1.8 brought her to a halt while she goes off to look up Our Town (we're in the UK). She thinks she'll watch the rest over the next week or two.

7) She asked when the next season airs. I didn't tell her it was going to be last.
Has she seen the Mummy movies of a few decades back? :D
 
1) Swallowing the com badge and cadet Pickford. She asked me what the point of the character was and why she was never used again. And how she ended up swallowing the com badge. Was she hazed into it or was she just holding it in her mouth while zipping up her uniform.

Did she watch the full season, because Pickford is in 1.01, 1.02 and 1.06, then seems to vanish, which makes sense.

4) She wants to see more of "the ginger chick".

Lieutenant Ya?

5) She loves Vance. She thinks she recognises Oded from somewhere else.

Probably The Mummy.
 
6) 1.5 made no sense to her and she felt excluded. She's watched 8 episodes in 6 days but 1.8 brought her to a halt while she goes off to look up Our Town (we're in the UK). She thinks she'll watch the rest over the next week or two.
I was curious about how that episode would work for a new viewer with no knowledge of Deep Space Nine. Does it give you everything you need to be able to understand it? I guess the answer is 'no'.
 
I was curious about how that episode would work for a new viewer with no knowledge of Deep Space Nine. Does it give you everything you need to be able to understand it? I guess the answer is 'no'.
Yeah it needed a real actual other human with no trek bags to be able to answer that. She's in her mid 40s so would have been around 13 or 14 when DS9 was first on, but she has no memory of Avery at all, or there even being a ST with a black captain. She has no issues with the idea of alternative forms of life, despite being a clinician with a high level of biology learning. She scienced through the idea of glitter vomit based on there being existing organisms with luminescent secretions, but interestingly she just assumed the Khionians were a longstanding trek species.
 
Eugenics is illegal in the Federation, what Stamets did to himself, slavery is also illegal, what was done to the tardigrade, and omnicide, the murder of all life in all universes, what the Empire "almost" did with indiscriminate spore tech use after a couple weeks... Oh?

The final monologue in the 23rd century, situated that the Discovery and the Spore Drive were both now very classified so that no one tries to follow it to the 31st century and destroy all life in the universe, with the Sphere Data.
Good thing all those Klingons who knew about the Spore Drive decided to go along with Starfleets classification.
 
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Eugenics is illegal in the Federation, what Stamets did to himself, slavery is also illegal, what was done to the tardigrade, and omnicide, the murder of all life in all universes, what the Empire "almost" did with indiscriminate spore tech use after a couple weeks... Oh?

The final monologue in the 23rd century, situated that the Discovery and the Spore Drive were both now very classified so that no one tries to follow it to the 31st century and destroy all life in the universe, with the Sphere Data.

Still. In 900 years they can't even replace dilithium. Cochrane didn't have dilithium for his warp drive. Yes it was unstable but he made it work with way more primitive tech. That starfkeet engineers couldn't find a better replacement 900 years after Cochrane is way too hard go believe.
 
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True about Cochrane. Dilithium didn't exist on Earth and definitely none was available on post-World War III Earth.

Yes. Cochrane had to come up with another way to keep the matter and anti matter separate and regulated. His way worked. It was highly dangerous but he was using 21st century tech. Once dilithium was given to stsrfleet it became much safer. But I would think by the 31st century they could have found a solution. Already by the 24th century dilithium was being recrystalized. A big advancement from the 23rd. So dilithium didn't need to be mined as much. So surely by the 31st and 32nd centuries alternatives were plentiful.
 
Didn't he use the fuel or radioactive materials from the Titan nuclear missile to make his primitive warp reactor work? No dilithium and having to scrounge parts after the Third World War to build a crude warp ship out of an unused American ICBM probably led to he and Lily Sloane having to be extremely creative with radioactive isotopes from an unexploded warhead. Setting off the chain reaction that broke the light barrier was probably done very, very crudely.
 
Still. In 900 years they can't even replace dilithium. Cochrane didn't have dilithium for his warp drive. Yes it was unstable but he made it work with way more primitive tech. That starfkeet engineers couldn't find a better replacement 900 years after Cochrane is way too hard go believe.
If it works where's the incentive?
 
True about Cochrane. Dilithium didn't exist on Earth and definitely none was available on post-World War III Earth.

I read a novel that exclaimed something similar to "After the Vulcan's told us what Dilithium is, and what Dilithium did, a new generation of treasure hunters started ransacking all the shuttered museums and closed down jewellery stores looking for what was usually labelled as valueless "Unspecified Quartz".
 
I read a novel that exclaimed something similar to "After the Vulcan's told us what Dilithium is, and what Dilithium did, a new generation of treasure hunters started ransacking all the shuttered museums and closed down jewellery stores looking for what was usually labelled as valueless "Unspecified Quartz".

Pretty sure dilithium wasn't on earth. I think the Vulcan supplied it.
 
Still. In 900 years they can't even replace dilithium. Cochrane didn't have dilithium for his warp drive. Yes it was unstable but he made it work with way more primitive tech. That starfkeet engineers couldn't find a better replacement 900 years after Cochrane is way too hard go believe.
You can run a warp drive off fusion power too.

The simple fact is the Dilithium Shortage storyline doesn't make sense. It existed solely so Discovery with its giant Dilithium stores and spore drive could be relevant in the 32nd centurary.

Worse, it was completely forgotten about after season 3 as suddenly all the Federations enemies have warp travel again.
 
Didn't he use the fuel or radioactive materials from the Titan nuclear missile to make his primitive warp reactor work? No dilithium and having to scrounge parts after the Third World War to build a crude warp ship out of an unused American ICBM probably led to he and Lily Sloane having to be extremely creative with radioactive isotopes from an unexploded warhead. Setting off the chain reaction that broke the light barrier was probably done very, very crudely.
I always linked it to Spock's solution in TVH, using the photons in the reactors of the carrier Enterprise to re-crystallize the dilithium. If it was powerful enough to do something like that, then maybe some form of radioactive material could have been used by Cochrane and Lily to contain the reaction.
 
You can run a warp drive off fusion power too.

The simple fact is the Dilithium Shortage storyline doesn't make sense. It existed solely so Discovery with its giant Dilithium stores and spore drive could be relevant in the 32nd centurary.

Worse, it was completely forgotten about after season 3 as suddenly all the Federations enemies have warp travel again.
Sooo... a Star Trek story?
 
So that was conceived the same way everything else in Trek always has been.

Some pretty big holes that you can drive a cruise ship through. The other shows maybe a car or a small yatch. Fact is the kurtzman treks have much more continuity and story problems that the casual fan that watches trek can easily see. The nitpicking stuff that more obsessive fans engage in are much smaller and less obvious problems. The dilithium burn was ridiculous. Thst they still need dilithium and use warp drive to travel 8 to 10 centuries later is pretty far fetched. Even Kirk was meeting beings with far better tech in the 60s show.
 
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