This is where you and I diverge. I'm all for playing it safe in life and being cautious in terms of major life decisions. I do not advocate that in art.
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I can respect that. I'm just not sure I would put the label "art" on new installments in a franchise IP. I mean, it certainly can be - there are quite a few Trek episodes I would also call "art" - but that usually has more to do with the writing, and acting, and the stories that are told, and the way they are told.
For production design and values I'd prefer the label "craft" - and there "artistic vision" is only one of several requirements, and certainly not the most important one.
I'm not sure how else to describe it though. It's an artistic vision, and drama is as much an art form as any thing else. Certainly every installment in a franchise comes with a certain amount precedence, but if there isn't an allowance for creative and artistic expression within that then I feel like it's a rather pointless exercise. Like constantly recreating the Mona Lisa without any individual expression. Just following line for line. It might be a lovely recreation but hardly additive to the art.
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IDK - if the story rumors hold up, taking a religious-type subject to the degree they are rumored to will be something new for Star Trek. GR wouldn't have gone that far. TOS - "Bread and Circuses" was the most he'd done on the subject in Trek previously).
Think that's the final brooming of Fullerism to the curb
"Wizened". Love that word.I'm not seeing how the new guy looks all that much younger than 1966 Nimoy to people. Maybe we are all just so used to seeing him as this wizened older Spock, but he looked fairly young then.
Nimoy has very deep smile lines and the makeup being so thick back then probably added to a less natural smooth skin look. NuSpock is less made up, dishevelled hair and well, the beard. It's different look one cannot help but talk about
I don't know. Seems to me that DS9 got a lot of mileage out of Starfleet secularism vs. Bajoran religion; that was one of the major themes of the show. And even TNG did that whole ep about the Second Coming of Kahless, which was all about Worf having a spiritual crisis.
Traditionally, Trek tends to steer clear of "real" religions but alien religions have always been fair game.
And Trek has been, despite what many would have you believe, very good about presenting both sides and being respectful. Yes, they'll ask you to challenge your thinking, but they do that to BOTH sides.
Probably for the best.
Well, he did have the spec idea regarding "The God Thing" or "Planet of the Titans" as part of his movie pitches.
I'll guess we'll see. I probably should have bolded that part in my original post:
I really only ever meant they're risk averse in changing up already familiar elements. Like their klingons, Orions, Andorians, Pike, Nr.1 1 et al. I can't say anything yet for the new elements they are introducing this season. They might go super risk-y. Or super safe. That much is absolutely not predictable from the trailers at this point yet.
As far as "how far" they are going with the religious stuff:
Somebody already mentioned DS9 went super far going into religious stuff. They even did the controversial thing and handled half their faith stuff as being "true". And lets# not forget - What for does God need a starship?
What we didn't have before was really delving deep into Western Christianity stuff. And I'm super gladfull for that, and frankly, this is the part I'm not exactly looking forward to this season, especially since they hired the writers of hack evangelical propagande movies.
But we have absolutely idea how far they will go with this storyline. They could take a very agnostic approach, like Babylon 5's Vorlons, or they could go full nuBattlestar Galactica "God and angels are real". We don't know yet. Anything can happen. That's kind of exciting.
Also, let's not forget that the showrunners Berg and Harbert got fired middle of the season, so it's absolutely possible they go in one direction in the first half ("angels are real"), and do a complete U-turn in the second one (it's ancient aliens!).
So far, it's simply way too early to tell. The direction will be clearer once the first few episodes air.
I guess the other way around would be the interesting take. "Hmm. Winged aliens with seemingly supernatural powers. We know this stuff. Weird is our profession." -> "Wowwww... I never imagined it would be this weird! Maybe there's more to this than we first thought? Perhaps even more than we can deal with using reason alone."
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
Good job keeping up commenting on how women look.
In the Spock beard thread a female mod said she thought Peck looked sexy. I didn't see you crying foul over how sexist that comment was there.
Is there a reason why the poster must police all content in order to be offended or made uncomfortable by a comment? A post that made others uncomfortable as well.
It's probably much easier to make a character look like another actor's prior version than getting the new one to feel like the earlier one. The latter is more on the actor's ability to make the part a little less "their own" than they normally would.
I can't tell you how few times I've watched The Cage, but I don't have a strong recollection of Majel's Number One. Ethan Peck will have a harder sell for sure, so by putting Spock in his "hippie phase", they might be taking a little bit of the pressure off and he can grow into the part if they do a Pike/Enterprise series.
What a strangely irrelevant example..
Do you wanna go through the whole thing or do you just wanna skip ahead to yelling "reverse sexism" and crying about the poor helpless menfolk being viciously abused by the raging vaginocracy?
