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Season 2 an overall improvement?

I disagree with the "underbaked" I think that the writers and producers simply can't figure out what to do with their obstensible "main character" and have to find ways to focus on the far more interesting and significant "secondary" characters without upsetting the apple cart.

If you don't know what to do with the star of the show, I would call that underbaked. :techman:

And how many episodes are they going to spend chasing Spock? This is one of the faults of serialized TV, you end up with painful filler episodes (like "Saints...") to pad out a season to the number of episodes you have to produce.
 
If you don't know what to do with the star of the show, I would call that underbaked. :techman:

And how many episodes are they going to spend chasing Spock? This is one of the faults of serialized TV, you end up with painful filler episodes (like "Saints...") to pad out a season to the number of episodes you have to produce.
Let's be honest here... Regular Trek had lots of filler episodes.... :)
 
Some people just can't handle stories with chapters I guess, and that everything isn't wrapped up after 45 minutes. I'm sorry that they wouldn't even have enjoyed the Classic Star Blazers series from the 1980s, let along a lot of modern stuff, as the story took its sweet time getting out of the solar system! They'd be clamoring, "What's going on ? We haven't got to Iscandar yet? It's nine episodes in and we've only just got past Pluto?! How the hell are they going to get to the Magellanic Cloud and back before the season is over? What's with all these filler episodes?!"

My suggestion is enjoy the episodes you are watching and try to cultivate a little patience. And be thankful the ship is hanging around at a farming planet while the crew bickers with each other for the entire season.
 
I think there is a balance @Alan Roi - there needs to be some filler, some time spent usefully developing characters, and there also needs to be less time spent on long, Netflixy, sweeping shots with music or voice overs, drawing out the screen time.

In my opinion, The BBC NAILS short series. They can be four or six or even eight episodes, but they are crackerjacks through and through.
They know what they are doing.
 
I think there is a balance @Alan Roi - there needs to be some filler, some time spent usefully developing characters, and there also needs to be less time spent on long, Netflixy, sweeping shots with music or voice overs, drawing out the screen time.

In my opinion, The BBC NAILS short series. They can be four or six or even eight episodes, but they are crackerjacks through and through.
They know what they are doing.

Thank you, I've seen more than enough BBC serials over the decades to know that they aren't any better at figuring out exactly how long a story is than anybody else. Criticising film quality cinematography isn't helping your case either, as Disco is hardly indulgent to the extent TMP was. Fact is, each series has its own pace, and demanding that one fits your idea of what is the 'ideal' pace is a fools game. I get that people are finding Disco challenging. Even I do at times, but I find its better to watch whats being presented to me and adapting my eyes ears and brain to what it is, not getting upset that its not adapting to my personal pace. If you're trying to fit it into a different shape than it occupies, you will just end up getting frustrated as opposed to becoming enlightened and broadened and discover things about the stories you are watching that you wouldn't otherwise pick up.

Balance is a word people use when they can't abandon their preconceived notions to what is in front of them.
 
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Some people just can't handle stories with chapters I guess, and that everything isn't wrapped up after 45 minutes. I'm sorry that they wouldn't even have enjoyed the Classic Star Blazers series from the 1980s, let along a lot of modern stuff, as the story took its sweet time getting out of the solar system! They'd be clamoring, "What's going on ? We haven't got to Iscandar yet? It's nine episodes in and we've only just got past Pluto?! How the hell are they going to get to the Magellanic Cloud and back before the season is over? What's with all these filler episodes?!"

I've been a huge fan of Star Blazers/Space Battleship Yamato since the original runs in the late-70's/early-80's. Unfortunately, Discovery isn't remotely as interesting as it was/is.
 
Anyways, CBS is getting my 10 bucks a month. They didn't last season. So...improvement.

"Saints of Imperfection" left me pretty disappointed. I just don't care about Georgiou, Tyler (took me a second to remember his name), or Culber. They just haven't got me invested on an emotional level in any of those characters. Plus, I'm sure that we will have more relationship drama between two actors (Martin-Green/Latif) who have the chemistry of wet cardboard when together.

Then the pacing of the episode was just plain brutal.
 
Anyways, CBS is getting my 10 bucks a month. They didn't last season. So...improvement.

And like me, you will get early honors in seeing whether or not we've got a showrunner of Twilght Zone who remotely gets what Rod Serling and his gang did between 59 and 64.
 
Hopefully one day I will grow up to be as smart and full of myself as you are. :rolleyes:

All it takes is setting ones ego aside when the screen lights up and paying attention thereafter. I'm often surprised why more people don't watch things that way.

PS. I liked Star Blazers, and I have yet to see a series that could carry suspense over a full season like it could, but even as a 10 year old, I understood there was something a lot more intriguing about Captain Harlock.
 
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I just see a show that had a promising start to the season starting to stumble. We'll see where it goes.
 
I just see a show that had a promising start to the season starting to stumble. We'll see where it goes.

With the exception of the very latest episode I'd say it's had a strong season this year. Hopefully it's not setting the tone of what's to come.
 
I think it was an one point, but now? I have CBS All-Access, Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon Prime. Which is about $50 a month, and none of it works without an internet connection, which is another $60. :eek:
Eek! Who are you paying for your internet? I get fiber-optic from a local provider bundled in with my rent for just $30/mo.

(Of course, lots of other countries provide a much better value proposition for internet service than most of the US... it really should be regulated as a public utility these days... but I digress.)

That's exactly what worries me about this season. It feels more consistent than the first season, but that seems to be almost entirely because where season one was constantly smashing the accelerator and trying new things, even when it'd be better served by coasting a while and letting what it'd already done unfold naturally, season two is pumping the breaks, putting out a lot of crowd-pleasing fan-service to cram the show back to a late-Berman-era "TNG-lite" mold.
I don't really care whether the pace is fast or slow, so long as it serves the story being told. And, thankfully, in terms of tone I don't see DSC hearkening back to late-Berman-style Trek so much as I do to TOS-style Trek... which is what I prefer (especially in a series that's a TOS prequel, after all!), so that's not a problem.

DSC doesn't necessarily need to be good to survive, just good enough to keep you from remembering to cancel your subscription, and while that kind of safety should be conducive to boldness and innovation, it doesn't seem to have been so far.
I wouldn't call DSC S1 a landmark of "boldness and innovation," unless by that term you mean the "throwing ideas at the wall" approach others have mentioned. IMHO S1 started shaky and improved through midseason, but then, in a fatal flaw for a show with only one season-long plot arc — well, two, if you count the MU as separate — it Completely. Failed. To. Nail. The. Landing. on either story arc, winding them up in ways that were not merely lackluster but were actual "idiot plots," with some random character assassination thrown in to boot.

If it had been a series finale, resolving things that badly would've tainted the whole show (like, say, Lost or Galactica). As it was only a season finale, there was a chance to bounce back. By comparison, S2 so far is a definite improvement.

However, one area where I think the show should take a look backwards towards the '90s (and, for the matter, towards the '60s) in its second season is in character scenes. Not even, like, whole unrelated b-plots, just a little downtime, like the TNG poker nights or something. ... They could uncram the plots a little bit just to give everyone a chance to sit with the problem, or even talk amongst themselves about stuff outside of work, without continously blasting through the episode like a bunch of ping-pong balls in a dryer.
Making the pace suit the story can be a tricky thing. The last thing I want to see are '90s/TNG style "character bits" that are completely extraneous to the actual plot. A better model to emulate would be something like, say, Game of Thrones, which certainly has fast-paced, event-filled episodes, but also understands when and how to slow down for deeper character-focused scenes, and even entire episodes, that are intimately connected to ongoing events. (One of my favorite episodes of GoT ever, for instance, is the one in S4 that's mostly just about Tyrion and Jaime talking in Tyrion's cell while he awaits trial.)

I find the less they focus on the Klingons, the better STD seems to be doing.
Word. That's pretty much true for every Trek series, actually, but even more so for DSC.

Casting aside my preconcieved notions and simply watching something for what it is has never failed me.
As I've mentioned before, though, "what it is" isn't some obvious given thing. It's very much in the eye of the beholder (especially for a show like DSC that's still trying to find its way), and deciding for yourself "what it is" in order to enjoy it may actually be something you can't do without, dare I say, "preconceived notions."[/QUOTE]
 
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