Same Sex Marriage

[Gov Kodos]

The same nameless magazine that alleged Roddenberry saying homosexuals didn't exist in the 24th century, no doubt.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

I'm sure I remember hearing somewhere that Wil Wheaton had made a comment years ago in an interview that by TNG timeframe they'd have "cured" homosexuality. I'm sorry, but that kind of thinking is a festering pile of BS.

 

[Deckerd]

Remember hearing something somewhere that might have been said long ago is hardly a searing indictment of an entire TV franchise.

 

[horatio83]

I'm sure I remember hearing somewhere that Wil Wheaton had made a comment years ago in an interview that by TNG timeframe they'd have "cured" homosexuality. I'm sorry, but that kind of thinking is a festering pile of BS.

Just spend a minute to google it and you will learn that he has said the very opposite.

 

[stj]

I forgot why this is part of Trek's future, but I believe that conservatives who reject same sex marriage should stand up and do something about it. Namely, conservative women should marry gay men (no jokes about Michelle Bachman please,) and conservative men should marry lesbians. Or at least, they should encourage their children to do so. This is the fair way to make sure that lesbians and gays are not denied the benefit of holy matrimony.

As for the future of Trek, they shouldn't have marriage. People commit to living together for raising children and the rest is like college.

 

[Gov Kodos]

As for the future of Trek,... and the rest is like college.

Booze, drugs, and casual sex?

 

[Knight Templar]

That's a comment I've never heard. Sounds more like something the TNG Roddenberry would say. TOS often showed the UFP on the brink of war or encountering civilizations that were at war. So I find that comment odd for the TOS era.

Once again, in the TOS era they came close to war (well, technically they were at war for one episode "Errand of Mercy" but almost all of it was offscreen and it was back to status quo after the episode) but for the most part everything was single ship battles.

You have links to these alleged comments about war, admirals and such?

He must have read them in a magazine somewhere.

I assume you people realize that there was a world BEFORE the internet don't you?

What is it with this obsession with wanting "internet links" to everything someone claims?

We even have some idiots that say "Citation or it didn't happen".

I post the truth to the best of my ability. I don't make stuff up. Why anyone would bother lying about some tv show on a discussion board is beyond me. We're not talking about matters of life, death or even involving money.

 

[Gov Kodos]

So, unsubstantiated claims should be taken as fact? This would, of course, include claims that don't support your position? Or do you only include such that support your claims?

 

[Nerys Myk]

The only vaguely "liberal" comments I remember being attributed to Roddenberry at the actual time of the original series was that he was opposed to having a war on Star Trek.

But it had nothing to do with his political, cultural views.

He was against war because he said it would make the show boring. He said he hated the thought of Star Trek featuring a group of "space admirals" sitting around and talking about strategies or some such as that.

That's a comment I've never heard. Sounds more like something the TNG Roddenberry would say. TOS often showed the UFP on the brink of war or encountering civilizations that were at war. So I find that comment odd for the TOS era.

Once again, in the TOS era they came close to war (well, technically they were at war for one episode "Errand of Mercy" but almost all of it was offscreen and it was back to status quo after the episode) but for the most part everything was single ship battles.

Since the show was never about war not ever intended to be set during war time the whole admirals sitting around makes no sense. Even it had been set in wartime there wouldn't be scenes of admirals sitting around because that's not what the show was about. It would still be Kirk on the Enterprise beating the bad guys. Any admirals would still be faces on a view screen or a message from HQ.

The show managed to makes comments about war without being set during a war.

I assume you people realize that there was a world BEFORE the internet don't you?

What is it with this obsession with wanting "internet links" to everything someone claims?

We even have some idiots that say "Citation or it didn't happen".

I post the truth to the best of my ability. I don't make stuff up. Why anyone would bother lying about some tv show on a discussion board is beyond me. We're not talking about matters of life, death or even involving money.

Yeah, but lot of that world exists on the internet.

Link means you can back it up with something more than just human memory. Which is notoriously unreliable.

You're not posting "truth" you're posting your memory of something you read. Its not a lie, its fuzzy memory.

 

[Knight Templar]

Link means you can back it up with something more than just human memory. Which is notoriously unreliable.

You're not posting "truth" you're posting your memory of something you read. Its not a lie, its fuzzy memory.

I understand that.

But how much of The World of Star Trek, The Making of Star Trek, or Star Trek Lives is accessible online.

I read hundreds of books and most certainly thousands of magazines from around 1980 to 1994. How much of that material is online and linkable?

Yes, human memory is very fallible.

But if I remember something and have no reason to believe it is a false memory or something along those lines.....then am I supposed to just ignore it and pretend it was never written or never existed?

 

[Avon]

no but you shouldn't state it as an absolute truth either

 

[Knight Templar]

no but you shouldn't state it as an absolute truth either

I assume everyone knows that very little on an internet discussion board is an "absolute truth".

After all, if all we had were "absolute truths" then how much discussion would we bother having.

 

[Gov Kodos]

So, no links, no hard copy titles, no editions or page references from hard copy, nothing but unsubstantiated assertion.

 

[Avon]

so you'll stop presenting unsupportable stuff as fact? Great

 

[Gov Kodos]

so you'll stop presenting unsupportable stuff as fact? Great

Don't count on it. KT often claims to have read a vast amount of stuff he has no clear memory of.

 

[Knight Templar]

so you'll stop presenting unsupportable stuff as fact? Great

Unless I provide some reference then you can regard it as opinion.

 

[Nerys Myk]

so you'll stop presenting unsupportable stuff as fact? Great

Unless I provide some reference then you can regard it as opinion.

Then phrase it as such.

 

[Kenbushway]

The only vaguely "liberal" comments I remember being attributed to Roddenberry at the actual time of the original series was that he was opposed to having a war on Star Trek.

But it had nothing to do with his political, cultural views.

He was against war because he said it would make the show boring. He said he hated the thought of Star Trek featuring a group of "space admirals" sitting around and talking about strategies or some such as that.

That's a comment I've never heard. Sounds more like something the TNG Roddenberry would say. TOS often showed the UFP on the brink of war or encountering civilizations that were at war. So I find that comment odd for the TOS era.

Once again, in the TOS era they came close to war (well, technically they were at war for one episode "Errand of Mercy" but almost all of it was offscreen and it was back to status quo after the episode) but for the most part everything was single ship battles.

Well of course, they only had a small budget. The cast made their own uniforms. They couldn't have shown the battles like voyager or enterprise.

 

[Kenbushway]

Once again, in the TOS era they came close to war (well, technically they were at war for one episode "Errand of Mercy" but almost all of it was offscreen and it was back to status quo after the episode) but for the most part everything was single ship battles.

You have links to these alleged comments about war, admirals and such?

He must have read them in a magazine somewhere.

I assume you people realize that there was a world BEFORE the internet don't you?

What is it with this obsession with wanting "internet links" to everything someone claims?

We even have some idiots that say "Citation or it didn't happen".

I post the truth to the best of my ability. I don't make stuff up. Why anyone would bother lying about some tv show on a discussion board is beyond me. We're not talking about matters of life, death or even involving money.

Your ability is very sad then. You literally have many great posters constantly battling you because the stuff you say is in-accurate. Whether its comments about Nixon or your limited knowledge of Gene; you don't post anything close to accurate or truthful. You just simply post opinions and its sad you don't realize why people ask for citations. The reason being is that almost everything can be found using the internet; so if there is anything that could back up your opinions, that is where you could get it. Remember common sense saves lives and knowledge is power.

 

[Knight Templar]

That's a comment I've never heard. Sounds more like something the TNG Roddenberry would say. TOS often showed the UFP on the brink of war or encountering civilizations that were at war. So I find that comment odd for the TOS era.

Once again, in the TOS era they came close to war (well, technically they were at war for one episode "Errand of Mercy" but almost all of it was offscreen and it was back to status quo after the episode) but for the most part everything was single ship battles.

Well of course, they only had a small budget. The cast made their own uniforms. They couldn't have shown the battles like voyager or enterprise.

Granted the budget was small (compared to modern times) but the cast made their own uniforms? That is a new one on me.

I've never heard this and I can't really picture Bill Shatner with a needle and thread