Same Sex Marriage

[Kenbushway]

Once again, in the TOS era they came close to war (well, technically they were at war for one episode "Errand of Mercy" but almost all of it was offscreen and it was back to status quo after the episode) but for the most part everything was single ship battles.

Well of course, they only had a small budget. The cast made their own uniforms. They couldn't have shown the battles like voyager or enterprise.

Granted the budget was small (compared to modern times) but the cast made their own uniforms? That is a new one on me.

I've never heard this and I can't really picture Bill Shatner with a needle and thread

Compared to modern time it couldn't rent a trailer for someone on the show or even rent the space to film. Try researching them making their own clothes, they obviously didn't sit on set with thread and needle.

 

[Knight Templar]

The reason being is that almost everything can be found using the internet; so if there is anything that could back up your opinions, that is where you could get it. .

So.

An obscure science fiction magazine that lasted for four issues from 1977-78 (that I found years later at a used book store) which featured an interview with Gene Roddenberry is going to available on the internet for handy confirmation???

I guess my search engine must be all shot to hell.

 

[Nerys Myk]

"War" isn't just spacebattles. Even if it had the budget, TOS wouldn't be about the battles.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The reason being is that almost everything can be found using the internet; so if there is anything that could back up your opinions, that is where you could get it. .

So.

An obscure science fiction magazine that lasted for four issues from 1977-78 (that I found years later at a used book store) which featured an interview with Gene Roddenberry is going to available on the internet for handy confirmation???

I guess my search engine must be all shot to hell.

Whats the name of the magazine? The interview might be available somewhere even if the magazine isn't. Trek fans are notorious "horders".

As I said its phrasing more than content. You're claiming someone said something not presenting an opinion.

 

[Kenbushway]

The reason being is that almost everything can be found using the internet; so if there is anything that could back up your opinions, that is where you could get it. .

So.

An obscure science fiction magazine that lasted for four issues from 1977-78 (that I found years later at a used book store) which featured an interview with Gene Roddenberry is going to available on the internet for handy confirmation???

I guess my search engine must be all shot to hell.

Nope just how you search is broken.

 

[iguana_tonante]

So, unsubstantiated claims should be taken as fact?

Well, he is a Bible literalist and a religious fundamentalist. So, par for the course.

 

[Knight Templar]

The reason being is that almost everything can be found using the internet; so if there is anything that could back up your opinions, that is where you could get it. .

So.

An obscure science fiction magazine that lasted for four issues from 1977-78 (that I found years later at a used book store) which featured an interview with Gene Roddenberry is going to available on the internet for handy confirmation???

I guess my search engine must be all shot to hell.

Whats the name of the magazine? The interview might be available somewhere even if the magazine isn't. Trek fans are notorious "horders".

As I said its phrasing more than content. You're claiming someone said something not presenting an opinion.

Science Fantasy Film Classics

July 1978- Star Trek issue. Interview with

http://www.astromart.com/classifieds/details.asp?classified_id=539212#photos

Gene Roddenberry begins on page. 13.



Though that interview in particular is pretty vague and doesn't mention what I referred to about G.R.s views on interstellar war. I just gave that as an example of an obscure magazine not around anymore with lots of Star Trek material.

 

[Maurice]

re sources: My experience is that people misremember things all the time, so asking for a verification or a source is simply common sense. Anyone who's been on this board for a while will know that when I cite something as factual or supposedly factual I'll cite the source of the information, usually quote it, and give a link or a page number (if a book or periodical).

Given how much misinformation is out there I don't think it's unreasonable to want verification for something. In fact, the credulousness of some people and their unthinking, uncritical spreading of falsehood (the stuff Snopes exists to shoot down) is proof that we need more "prove it", not less.

 

[Nerys Myk]

So.

An obscure science fiction magazine that lasted for four issues from 1977-78 (that I found years later at a used book store) which featured an interview with Gene Roddenberry is going to available on the internet for handy confirmation???

I guess my search engine must be all shot to hell.

Whats the name of the magazine? The interview might be available somewhere even if the magazine isn't. Trek fans are notorious "horders".

As I said its phrasing more than content. You're claiming someone said something not presenting an opinion.

Science Fantasy Film Classics

July 1978- Star Trek issue. Interview with

http://www.astromart.com/classifieds/details.asp?classified_id=539212#photos

Gene Roddenberry begins on page. 13.



Though that interview in particular is pretty vague and doesn't mention what I referred to about G.R.s views on interstellar war. I just gave that as an example of an obscure magazine not around anymore with lots of Star Trek material.

I don't recall asking for an example of that. Or saying that such magazines did not exist.

What it does prove is your memory was faulty since by your own admission it doesn't back up your assertion. Which was what I did claim. Its also from 1978 a decade after TOS was made rather that from "the time Star Trek" was originally made", which was your original claim.

 

[nightwind1]

Once again, in the TOS era they came close to war (well, technically they were at war for one episode "Errand of Mercy" but almost all of it was offscreen and it was back to status quo after the episode) but for the most part everything was single ship battles.

Well of course, they only had a small budget. The cast made their own uniforms. They couldn't have shown the battles like voyager or enterprise.

Granted the budget was small (compared to modern times) but the cast made their own uniforms? That is a new one on me.

I've never heard this and I can't really picture Bill Shatner with a needle and thread

It's true. We read it somewhere, sometime.

 

[nightwind1]

So.

An obscure science fiction magazine that lasted for four issues from 1977-78 (that I found years later at a used book store) which featured an interview with Gene Roddenberry is going to available on the internet for handy confirmation???

I guess my search engine must be all shot to hell.

Whats the name of the magazine? The interview might be available somewhere even if the magazine isn't. Trek fans are notorious "horders".

As I said its phrasing more than content. You're claiming someone said something not presenting an opinion.

Science Fantasy Film Classics

July 1978- Star Trek issue. Interview with

http://www.astromart.com/classifieds/details.asp?classified_id=539212#photos

Gene Roddenberry begins on page. 13.



Though that interview in particular is pretty vague and doesn't mention what I referred to about G.R.s views on interstellar war. I just gave that as an example of an obscure magazine not around anymore with lots of Star Trek material.

Of course, it doesn't.

 

[Knight Templar]

Whats the name of the magazine? The interview might be available somewhere even if the magazine isn't. Trek fans are notorious "horders".

As I said its phrasing more than content. You're claiming someone said something not presenting an opinion.

Science Fantasy Film Classics

July 1978- Star Trek issue. Interview with

http://www.astromart.com/classifieds/details.asp?classified_id=539212#photos

Gene Roddenberry begins on page. 13.



Though that interview in particular is pretty vague and doesn't mention what I referred to about G.R.s views on interstellar war. I just gave that as an example of an obscure magazine not around anymore with lots of Star Trek material.

Of course, it doesn't.

I gave the magazine simply to show there was an obscure science fiction magazine published in 1978 that ran a feature on Star Trek.

And that the magazine in question is old enough and obscure enough that I can find nothing but the picture of it online. Not any of the actual material such as the Roddenberry interview.

 

[Avon]

so what's your point?

 

[Knight Templar]

so what's your point?

My point is that there are sources of Trek material that have NEVER gone through the internet and are not accessible for the people on a discussion board.

 

[Avon]

and my motorbike was made in a country that no longer exists, but what do either of these have to do with same sex marriage?

 

[Knight Templar]

and my motorbike was made in a country that no longer exists, but what do either of these have to do with same sex marriage?

You know genius, I did not start this part of the discussion. I'm simply responding to other people.

 

[Gov Kodos]

You've done nothing but make unsubstantiated assertions about homosexuality and Star Trek and waffled at being asked to back them up.

 

[Knight Templar]

You've done nothing but make unsubstantiated assertions about homosexuality and Star Trek and waffled at being asked to back them up.

I've learned one thing true about this board:

No one here (that I know of) will ever accept a person having a position that condemns sexual activity between two consenting adults.

You know that, and so does everyone else reading this thread.

So given that my position is completely unacceptable on this board, then why take the time and effort to provide links and arguments knowing full well they will never be accepted.

 

[horatio83]

Yep, the people here have the audacity to claim that you have no right to forbid anybody something totally natural (look around you, plenty of animals are homo- or bisexual) like homosexuality or any other form of consensual sex among adults.
About the latter, I grew up in a liberal Catholic family so I understand your position. I have nothing against Christian monogamous sexual morals as long as people understand that it is called morality for a reason. Unlike ethics (sexual ethics can be summed up via two words, consenting adults) morality merely applies for an individual and not for everybody. I am a veggie but I would never tell other people to stop eating meat.
About the former, homophobia is no better than racism, sexism or any other attitude which leads to the suffering and exclusion of a large number of people because of their gender, their sexual identity or their skin colour. Perhaps you noticed that people cannot choose any of them, they are born as a woman, as non-heterosexual, as non-white. If you wanna debate the second and claim that homosexuality is a choice I can only once again point you towards the animal kingdom.
People on the left as well as in the centre have a problem with causing such suffering and exclusion whereas people on the right never have and probably never will. That's why politics is always so nasty; there is no neutral space where we can debate as the space (worldview) itself differs among the left and right.

 

[Avon]

so you're not going to back up an arguement because you want to be intolerant?

sense this makes not