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Ryan Church's design, don't mince words, what do you really feel?

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For example, I would be whining if they had given us a slightly more textured version of THE ORIGINAL SHIP !! :p
Granted, I'm not obsessed like some and the whining would be very very limited...but still.

Same here. Not because I don't love the original ship, but just because I want to see something NEW.

The thing I was most looking forward to with this movie wasn't the story or characters-- it was seeing how they'd reimagine and rethink the original designs. I just love that kind of shit. :D
 
The ship design is ok. I would have preferred something that looked closer to the original design, but it is what it is.
 
You mean the ones who buy the novels and and merchandise and remastered movies and series in every new format, and spend up to half a million dollars on items at the Christie's auctions? Good idea.
 
Yeah, the ones who buy the novels and and merchandise and remastered movies and series in every new format, and spend up to half a million dollars on items at the Christie's auctions. Good idea.

You mean the ones who have become so few that they - we - can't keep a TV series afloat? :lol:

Anyway, the "segment" he's talking about is quite a bit smaller than the fandom who supports the novels and merchandising - based on Internet reaction to the movie, no more than one in ten "hard-core" Trek fans are at all offended by what Abrams has done.
 
Anyway, the "segment" he's talking about is quite a bit smaller than the fandom who supports the novels and merchandising - based on Internet reaction to the movie, no more than one in ten "hard-core" Trek fans are at all offended by what Abrams has done.

Exactly. Such evidence is supported in polls on the major Trek websites such as TrekMovie.com, TrekWeb, and even TrekBBS.com.

This film may even be the most well liked Trek in more than a decade, or at least considered to be better than most Trek in more than a decade if I had to take a guess.
 
The nacelles look silly from certain angles. But the ship looked allright on screen. I found the change from phasers to pulse energy weapons more jarring than the changes in ship proportions.
Surely you're aware than in both TOS and in the movies phasers could fire either in beams or in pulses. True of both hand phasers and ship-mounted cannons.
 
To be fair, a lot of people who don't like the film (for whatever reason) probably aren't hanging out at places that are definately hard-core supporters of it. It would be like seeing the www.dailykos.com saying "Our poll says that 80 percent of our users are Democrats, therefore 80 percent of the population of the universe is Democrat!"

There's a bit of self-selection going on.
 
All Internet polls are self-selected, of course. That is indeed a limitation in how seriously such things should be taken.

That said, the difference between polls on a site and postings should be pretty obvious:

1) Negative voices are generally over-represented in posting. People are always more likely to voice complaints than express satisfaction;

2) The number of people who participate in polls tends to be much greater - hundreds rather than dozens - and therefore probably less skewed in one direction or another. Self-selected or no, one represents a much larger sample than the other.

The percentages come up amazingly consistently here, no matter what the precise phrasing or topic regarding the movie is: somewhere between eight and twelve percent negative toward any aspect of the movie (overall negativity is usually less than ten percent, while complaints about something like the appearence of the ship are more likely to edge higher). And this is on a site dedicated to Star Trek and frequented by people who are almost by definition - self-selected, as you say - hardcore Trek fans. Beyond the hardcore, negativity toward this film is almost non-existent.

Pretty remarkable, considering the spotty recent history of the Franchise. This movie has already won over a greater percentage of the fan base than TNG was able to for its first couple of years. :)
 
1) Negative voices are generally over-represented in posting. People are always more likely to voice complaints than express satisfaction;

In posts, yes, but not so much in the polls, where people just can click on an answer and not risk the flame-war. Still, it's pretty much completely screwed as far relying on it as a data point either way.

And this is on a site dedicated to Star Trek and frequented by people who are almost by definition - self-selected, as you say - hardcore Trek fans. Beyond the hardcore, negativity toward this film is almost non-existent.

And, as I've said elsewhere, it's not that people are negative on the movie.. it's just that they've moved on. Some will be back for the sequel, tough to say. The mainstream audience is insanely fickle, particularly for summer or holiday blockbusters. :S

Pretty remarkable, considering the spotty recent history of the Franchise. This movie has already won over a greater percentage of the fan base than TNG was able to for its first couple of years. :)

The old joke, "There's only two reasons to watch TNG, and she's not that good of an actress."
 
Avoided any controversy? People laughing their ass off in the theater because the ship looks like a plastic toy you'd hang on your Christmas tree wouldn't be controversial? Then again, perhaps it wouldn't. :D
Have you even SEEN any of the remastered original eps??:wtf:


Yeah, the smoothing errors on the CGI model that made it on screen did a lot to enhance the TOS Enterprise.

Of course the transparent "neck" as seen in the Cage was just priceless..... :rolleyes:
 
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Rogers, who was saying that we should use 1960s SFX and the model in the Smithsonian ... just checking here. I'm not seeing anyone.. nope... nope.. still checking.. nope... no one... nope.... okay, zero.

I have a dream, a dream where people who like the new movie can discuss it, and its flaws, and its strengths, without shitting on everything from the generations before. After all, without all that, you wouldn't even HAVE this movie.
 
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