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Rings of Power S3/Hunt for Gollum Anticipation and JRR Tolkien Discussion thread

These 2 new LOTR movies sound like pointless cash grabs that simply use chapters from the books that didn't make it into the original trilogy. It's like they're just being made to retain the rights or something.
I would normally agree except Colbert's passion for Tolkien is very well documented. If he says he has a story idea that he believes honor Tolkien, then I'm inclined to believe him.

I'm more hesitant about the Gollum movie but it helps that Serkis is the driving force behind it.
 
These 2 new LOTR movies sound like pointless cash grabs that simply use chapters from the books that didn't make it into the original trilogy. It's like they're just being made to retain the rights or something.

That's very possibly in large part true. The WB recently paid a lot of money to retain the film rights to The Lord of the Rings and its appendices, and you can bet that if Jackson and Co. ever tell them they're done with the franchise, they'll hire someone else to exploit it without hesitation. It's not hard to imagine how such a situation could lead someone to... compromises in their artistic vision...

Especially when doing so can give one's children a head start in the entertainment business. The War of the Rohirrim was co-written by Philippa Boyens' daughter, and now we hear that Colbert's son will be involved with this Shadow project. I'm sure it's very easy to tell one's self that one is best suited to "honor Tolkien's legacy" when it directly benefits one's own kids. Could both happen to be true? Time will tell.
 
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I might be in the minority, but I would be fine with completely original movies set in Middle Earth that have no connection to the books. It's a big world with thousands of years of history, so it shouldn't be that hard to come up with some new stories.
 
I might be in the minority, but I would be fine with completely original movies set in Middle Earth that have no connection to the books. It's a big world with thousands of years of history, so it shouldn't be that hard to come up with some new stories.
Christopher Tolkien is rolling in his grave.
 
You'd think he'd be all for people doing that kind of stuff, since there'd be a lot less potential for them to screw up the books.
 
I would normally agree except Colbert's passion for Tolkien is very well documented. If he says he has a story idea that he believes honor Tolkien, then I'm inclined to believe him.

I'm more hesitant about the Gollum movie but it helps that Serkis is the driving force behind it.
I trust Serkis more than Colbert.
 
You prefer pessimism, fine. I'm opting for optimism.

Pointing out objective nepotism isn't pessimism, and the potential for power to corrupt good people is kinda, y'know, the whole core theme of LotR. :rommie:



Christopher Tolkien is rolling in his grave.

Given that he didn't approve of Jackson's movies, he certainly wouldn't have liked these newer brand extensions, true.


I might be in the minority, but I would be fine with completely original movies set in Middle Earth that have no connection to the books. It's a big world with thousands of years of history, so it shouldn't be that hard to come up with some new stories.

The WB isn't (currently, at least) allowed to. They could only do a side story such as The War of the Rohirrim because it was based on a small bit of the Appendices found in RotK, and it's probably partly why the movie is called The Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim, and opens with the LotR musical sting, despite having sod-all to do with either the Ring or Sauron.
 
I might be in the minority, but I would be fine with completely original movies set in Middle Earth that have no connection to the books. It's a big world with thousands of years of history, so it shouldn't be that hard to come up with some new stories.

That's effectively what Rings of Power is.
 
Kind of, the majority of the characters and the major plot points still come from the books. I'm talking about that has no characters, or plot points or anything from the books.
 
War of the Rohirrim is a little closer since it was taken from what I believe was only one or two sentences in the appendixes.
 
Oh you're right, I just double checked. I could have sworn it was just one of the small entries in the tale of years. My mistake.
 
That's very possibly in large part true. The WB recently paid a lot of money to retain the film rights to The Lord of the Rings and its appendices, and you can bet that if Jackson and Co. ever tell them they're done with the franchise, they'll hire someone else to exploit it without hesitation. It's not hard to imagine how such a situation could lead someone to... compromises in their artistic vision...

Especially when doing so can give one's children a head start in the entertainment business. The War of the Rohirrim was co-written by Philippa Boyens' daughter, and now we hear that Colbert's son will be involved with this Shadow project. I'm sure it's very easy to tell one's self that one is best suited to "honor Tolkien's legacy" when it directly benefits one's own kids. Could both happen to be true? Time will tell.
How do you not get tired of being negative all the time?
 
and opens with the LotR musical sting, despite having sod-all to do with either the Ring or Sauron.
The orcs in the film are searching for rings, and let's just say it's not because one of them plans to get married.
Oh you're right, I just double checked. I could have sworn it was just one of the small entries in the tale of years. My mistake.
It's in the tale of years but it's also covered in more depth in the Rohan section of appendix A and addressed in the Gondor section. In addition there are references to the conflict in both The Return of the King proper ( before the appendices, that is ) and in the text of The Two Towers ( it's not like it's a rule or anything but when you introduce a place called Helm's Deep you're likely to explain where the name comes from ).
 
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That's effectively what Rings of Power is.

No. Although there are some things added to it, it follows a narrative from the books. Characters as well.
Just because it isn't a page by page take on it, doesn't mean it's an original work.
Then again, this same discussion was going on when LOTR was released, where some book fans simply kept repeating it wasn't LOTR, but an original story that had nothing to do with the books. It was hilarious.
 
I was going to wait until we had a set release date for Season 3 to do so, but I needed something else to occupy my Fridays at work Podcsst-wise (since I've abandoned Fallout) and decided to rewatch TRoP.
 
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