Production Quality Of Picard

[Angry Fanboy]

Production quality and aesthetic choices are two different things. By and large PIC has clearly had plenty of money thrown at it and it shows (Riker's fleet notwithstanding).

Now whether you agree with the aesthetics of relativity 21st century clothing, shoes etc being used is a separate issue.

For what's it's worth some of the 'futuristic' costume choices in TNG were horrific.

 

[at Quark's]

Fashion will change and it won't change. I think the smartest thing Aliens did in the future was show that in the future people still wear suits. They didn't look exactly the same as suits in 1986, but they were there. And suits are the slowest changing fashion of all. In 2399, I can see them still wearing some version of them. Jeans. Jeans go back to the middle of the 19th Century. I don't see them disappearing any time soon.

Actually reminds me of the uniform of Starfleet admirals in the Enterprise era. They wore star trek like tunics, but they still wore classic ties under it that would be absent in later eras. I kind of liked that nod, as besides a kind of continuity and a chain progression between "now" and Kirk's "then" it also emphasised that Admirals have a more formal and official role than actual hands-on starship crew.

 

[Angry Fanboy]

I never paid much attention but actually I love the shirt and tie under the ENT era uniform!

 

[DarthTimon]

One thing I think that's important to mention here is that we want to be careful of discouraging anyone from expressing a negative opinion of PIC. I'm not saying anyone in this discussion has done that, but it would be all too easy to do it. On the flip side, I'm also well aware that putting opinions out there, on a public board, means you should expect scrutiny.

 

[Angry Fanboy]

One thing I think that's important to mention here is that we want to be careful of discouraging anyone from expressing a negative opinion of PIC. I'm not saying anyone in this discussion has done that, but it would be all too easy to do it. On the flip side, I'm also well aware that putting opinions out there, on a public board, means you should expect scrutiny.

I'd say you're massively overthinking it to be honest.

 

[DarthTimon]

I'd say you're massively overthinking it to be honest.

In what way?

 

[Angry Fanboy]

In what way?

Being concerned over the opinions being voiced etc. Leave that sort of concern to the moderators and just enjoy the discussion.

 

[Jinn]

Even watching the original series today it still feels like it's the future so lot because Roddenberry went out of his way to make sure that 1960s real world clothing and artifacts were in the show as little as possible.

I can't say I ever felt this way. With its bright colors, buttons, paper print-outs (okay, that happened only in the pilot, right?) and those pyjamas they call uniforms, I really can't take its visuals seriously as a current vision of the future. And that's not a bad thing, I love TOS dearly, and also its aesthetics, but it just doesn't seem realistic to me. I'm sure Discovery and Picard will look similarly dated in 50 years, or at least I hope so, as i think we can do better with spaceship aesthetics than those.


As far as civilian clothes go, I'm just happy I don't have to laugh, everytime I look at a character wearing them.

 

[Makarov]

For me it's mixed on the clothing but mostly liked it. I liked the jacket Picard had in the episode where he recruits Elnor. I didn't really like how the outfit he wore during the tv interview looked like a modern day suit.

I liked the coat and boots he had on the vineyard and on the posters for the show.

 

[EnderAKH]

Watching TOS in syndication in the late 70s, early 80s as a kid, I never, not once, thought TOS looked like a realistic future. Google "1870 suit" and you know what you will see? Clothes that look recognizably as suits. Details changed, but still suits. Google "1920 suit" and they look almost exactly like a modern 3 piece suit, and that was 100 years ago. To me it is ridiculous to think in 300 years we are going to go from what we wear now to pastel feety pajamas, so I connect a lot more with futures that show slight differences to current fashions. THAT feels more realistic to the ACTUAL evolution of fashion than anything I've ever seen in Trek prior to Discovery.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Future fashion has always sucked.

Pfft. Garak and Quark were impeccable.

 

[fireproof78]

One thing I think that's important to mention here is that we want to be careful of discouraging anyone from expressing a negative opinion of PIC. I'm not saying anyone in this discussion has done that, but it would be all too easy to do it. On the flip side, I'm also well aware that putting opinions out there, on a public board, means you should expect scrutiny.

That's fair, and PIC is definitely a break from the more colorful outfits of TNG so people will want to voice the differences they see.

Also, what is futuristic is definitely in the eye of the beholder.

 

[Angry Fanboy]

I think it's a trend with science fiction in general in the last twenty-ish years to bring the 'look' of the future more in line with the present - BSG, The Expanse etc.

 

[Makarov]

For me it works with the expanse because it's pretty much just modern day humans out in space fighting over resources. The TNG era weird looking civilian clothes really fit with it being different from today

 

[TRON JA307020]

I think it's a trend with science fiction in general in the last twenty-ish years to bring the 'look' of the future more in line with the present - BSG, The Expanse etc.

Well BSG the reboot was really a historical account. It took place in the past 150,000 years.

 

[Dukhat]

Well BSG the reboot was really a historical account. It took place in the past 150,000 years.

That has nothing to do with the point he was making. BSG's look was meant for the viewing audience to identify with, not what time period the show took place in.

 

[Captain Crow]

I think it's a trend with science fiction in general in the last twenty-ish years to bring the 'look' of the future more in line with the present - BSG, The Expanse etc.

That's more or less due to science fiction makers realising the world doesn't change as drastically with the passage of time as they once thought it would.

 

[Danja]

Even watching the original series today it still feels like it's the future so lot because Roddenberry went out of his way to make sure that 1960s real world clothing and artifacts were in the show as little as possible. Not to say some showed up from time to time but it was much less than what we see in Picard.

Gene did like his miniskirts:

 

[fireproof78]

That's more or less due to science fiction makers realising the world doesn't change as drastically with the passage of time as they once thought it would.

Pretty much this. Looking at "Cities of the Future" and other such advertisements there is a huge shift from how dramatically different things would be. Look at "The Jetsons" (the Year 2000, I believe) or Back to the Future 2 in 2018.

The pace of technological development has simply not kept going. And, I think Picard reflects that attitude.

 

[urbandefault]

Gene did like his miniskirts:

The 60s liked the minis. It was a thing. Bikini girls and go-go dancers were everywhere on TV.

I saw it first hand. It was no big deal in my house.