She never murdered a unarmed humanoid in cold blood
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Disagree. And the whole basis of this argument is things can't change. But, they can.
She killed with no conscience. Even a gunfighter in the old west that killed an unarmed man regardless of what he did would be admonished for that behavior and be considered a murderer.
And she sent a murderous alien to a ship that couldn't handle it. Murder.
there’s no way to justify her behavior. She killing unarmed people in cold blood.
Things don't change as quickly as they once did. Several factors have lead the evolution of some things to stifled. One of which being the greed for little pieces of paper and metal with dead people's faces on them.Dude, this is demonstrably untrue.
I mean, 2399 is 379 years in the future. 379 years in the past was 1641. Men dressed like this:
We can recognize that as clothing, but it doesn't look anything like clothing today. Everyday/peasant clothing was of course a bit simpler, but not "virtually unchanged" either.
Basically there's two different philosophies when it comes to depicting the future.
I'm more partial to the idea that if you're going to portray the future it should be made clear that it's alien in some manner - that language, social mores, fashion, music, and art have moved on, and in some ways people of the future would seem bizarre to us. This sort of aesthetic is often seen in movies (like say The Fifth Element).
On the other hand, sometimes people just want to tell a simple story about relatable people. Too much time spent on little nuances like set and costume design in this case can be seen as distracting away from the main focus of the narrative and character arc.
"Let's get the hell out of here." - Kirk, "City on the Edge of Forever"
"This is damn peculiar." - Kirk, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
"Not good enough, damn it! Not Good enough" - Picard, "Yesterday's Enterprise"
The joke in STIV:TVH was that people in the time period they were in swore a lot. Not that in the future people stopped swearing.
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This "unarmed person" was a muderer who savagely had Icheb killed. Stop ignoring this.
Someone who can be brought in "dead or alive".
Of course I do but murder wasn’t the answer.
It's not a justification. It's a recognition of history and capability.
she’s not the 7 of 9 from voyager. She’s been changed into a mercenary with Han Solo style clothes. She had murdered with her group before. In voyager she became a perfectionist and capable crew member who became a problem solver much like data. All of that is now gone.
People change.
Not that much. Watch some voyage episodes with 7 of 9 she used the best parts of her borg upbringing with the humanity she gained to be a stellar scientist and a person that didn’t even get riled by Q. Now she Han Solo. No thanks.
You missed all the context. I trust in 20 years you'll be identical especially after a family member is brutally murdered and parts harvested.
The lack of context and empathy is staggering.
And after forcibly being reintegrated into a foreign society a few years after developing an individual personality for the first time since she was 6. Yeah, people change after all of that trauma.
Trauma is one of the most poorly misunderstood aspect of the human experience. Unfortunately, popular media, including Trek, haven't helped.
We passed silly a while ago.
First, I don't know if you can actually say that. I mean, how much do any of us know about fashion trends in random decades in the 17th century?
I do think it's true that culture has become awash in nostalgia since the 1960s, which means that things are more apt to have a revival 10-20 years later - or just never completely go out of style - rather than try something new. Arguably the roots of all modern pop culture more or less formulated by 1980 or so, by which time you had hippies, punks, goths, early hip hop, etc. However, revivals happened all the time in the past as well. For example, lots of the popular 19th and early 20th century architectural styles were attempting to ape some aspect of styles centuries older, from greco-roman temples to gothic cathedrals to Italian villas.
But to your point about money - well, the core of humanity is to some extent a post-scarcity society, which would suggest that market trends aren't driving fashion and the like any longer.
TBH though, humans in Trek display a very radical break with the culture of modern day humanity. This includes apparent global use of English, the near-total absence of religion from public (and potentially even private) life, the elimination of striving for material wealth, comments about how hunting for food is seen as barbaric by most, etc. Given all of this - given how a new human culture is formulated in the era after First Contact - one would think there would be a more general movement to leave the trappings of the past to the dustbin of history.
Just watching STIV:TVH and the beginning of the film itself negates the idea of them not swearing in the future.Things don't change as quickly as they once did. Several factors have lead the evolution of some things to stifled. One of which being the greed for little pieces of paper and metal with dead people's faces on them.
"Let's get the hell out of here." - Kirk, "City on the Edge of Forever"
"This is damn peculiar." - Kirk, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
"Not good enough, damn it! Not Good enough" - Picard, "Yesterday's Enterprise"
The joke in STIV:TVH was that people in the time period they were in swore a lot. Not that in the future people stopped swearing.
At the end of the hearing at the beginning of the film a dude from the gallery shouts at the top of their lungs "YOU POMPOUS ASS!" at the Klingon Ambassador.
It's almost like the "Double Dumb Ass on you" line was played for comedy...
Kirk was talking about 1986. I think Starfleet officers aren't supposed to swear, but civilians can do whatever they want. Problem solved.
Janeway tortured an unarmed, restrained crewman and was later promoted.
Sisko poisoned a planet and kept his rank and position.
Data wanted to kill an unarmed murderer with a cruel weapon and was only stopped by the transporter. He only got The Look (TM) from Riker.
Wow, I never noticed that! XD
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