Production Order Group Viewing 2018

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  1. Mytran

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    I know the episode is from Buck's second season and I shouldn't expect too much, but even when I first viewed that one I couldn't fathom why such an unusual concept for a character should have such an overtly human appearance!
    Maybe it's best left in the realm of animation.
     
  2. Poltargyst

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    Albatross

    What's the title mean? Is McCoy feeling like a bringer of bad luck?

    McCoy's in legal trouble! I hope they still have Cogley's number.

    What a timely episode. I'm sitting here watching a show about a plague while coronavirus is on the loose.

    Spock: "Plague, Dramia Two. Of unknown origin, characterised by pigmentation changes in skin of victim, debilitation, death. Certain species known to have natural immunity, notably Vulcan." Well, of course Spock's super Vulcan physiology makes him immune.

    Kirk: "We are beyond subspace communications with Starfleet." Huh. I didn't know that was possible. I wonder how far away that is.

    Demos: "I have been tricked. " You're the one who trespassed on the Enterprise, dude. Kirk is pretty crafty this episode.

    Why does it take so long at warp 6 to get to Dramia II? Isn't Dramia II in the same solar system as Dramia?

    Coronavirus on my mind (sung to the tune of "Georgia on my mind"): What sort of precautions did Kirk and Spock take against the plague when they beam down to Dramia II, a known plague planet? They're not practicing social distancing. Do they have their life support belts on and activated as protection?

    Kirk: "Meet Kol-Tai, Mister Scott. A friend of Doctor McCoy's. " Scotty gets this cheesy smile.

    Kirk makes sure to lean his face in close to Kol-Tai, then...

    Spock: "Captain, you're blue." There's those crack Starfleet medical protocols we've gotten used to since The Naked Time.

    I apologize in advance for this:

    We get a shot of Uhura turning blue, and what flashes into my mind is

    "I've seen shit that will turn you white."
    --Winston Zeddmore, Ghostbusters

    Sorry, sorry. Back to the review...

    Spock: "You must release Doctor McCoy temporarily. He is needed to find an antidote."
    Dramian: "No."

    Spock should bust out some Cogley here...

    "Rights, sir, human rights. The Bible, the Code of Hammurabi and of Justinian, Magna Carta, the Constitution of the United States, Fundamental Declarations of the Martian colonies, the Statutes of Alpha Three. Sir, these documents all speak of rights. Rights of the accused to a trial by his peers, to be represented by counsel, the rights of cross-examination, but most importantly, the right to be confronted by the witnesses against him, a right to which your prisoner has been denied. I ask that my motion be granted, and more than that, sir, I demand it. I demand it! "

    Dramian: "Your treachery is transparent, Vulcan. " Apparently he hasn't heard that Vulcans never lie. Or he has heard that Spock does.

    Why is Kirk having to man the transporter? 430 people on board and they are now all so bedridden that Kirk has to drag himself to the transporter?

    I'm not a doctor, but if Kol-Tai has Saurian virus antibodies in his blood from 19 years ago, shouldn't he be immune to this plague now?

    Does Saurian virus come from the same place as Saurian brandy?

    Are any of the lizard people we've seen this series Saurians?

    Final scene, Scotty has Captain's stripes. Congratulations to Scotty on his promotion.

    If only Spock and McCoy could appear here now and spend 20 minutes whipping up a coronavirus cure.

    An entertaining little yarn reminiscent of other episodes where the crew have to work to free a crewmate in trouble with an alien culture's laws, like Justice and numerous others.

    Alien Watch! Drama-queen-ians

    Season One
    The Glommer
    Arex*
    Retlaw Plant
    Agmar and his Phylosian posse
    Swoopers
    Yellow winged bird guy (Aleek)
    Spock's teddy bear with fangs (sehlat)
    Green cat thing that sounds like Godzilla (le-matya)
    300 million year old alien on viewscreen log
    Green energy Redjac wannabe
    The Vendorian
    Lt. M'Ress
    Remarkably human-looking Taureans.
    The planet-eating, Majel Roddenberry-voiced cloud from another galaxy.
    Alien miners of Arcadia
    Rigelian hypnoid
    Giant rock creatures
    Remarkably human-looking (when they want to be except for that rebel Lucien guy) Megans
    Assorted heretofore unseen aliens on the Delta Triangle's ruling council
    The Kzinti (whom no one will mistake for Mensa candidates)
    Aquans, both stogy elders and rebellious kids.
    Sur-snake of Argo
    The scardy Bug Guy
    The Vedalian
    The...remarkably human-looking alien (?) Lara
    The not-a-Gorn lizard guy.
    Translucent gossamer mice!
    Glowing halo fish!
    The red beastie in the lake on Lactra Seven
    The dinosaur beastie that fell on McCoy on Lactra Seven
    The flying purple people eating dragons on Lactra Seven that look suspiciously like other flying purple people eating dragons we've seen.
    The telepathic slugs of Lactra Seven.
    Assorted aliens captured by the slugs of Lactra Seven.

    Season Two
    Bem the Annoying, a Pandronian.
    The lizard people of Delta Theta Three who are not Gorns nor are they of Sord's people.
    The lizard people's Entity/Companion/Goddess
    Dramians of the planet Dramia in the Dramian star system

    *by request
     
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  3. Maurice

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    Except all he could do was detach his head and set it on a rock. Lol
     
  4. Mytran

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    ALBATROSS
    The word can also be used as a metaphor for a burden to be carried by someone as penance - presumably referring to McCoy's apparent careless actions 19 years ago.

    This episode begins…at the end of a mission!
    The opening captain’s log wraps up the events of a story that we didn’t see and there’s even the familiar TAS finale music playing. :techman:
    These fresh approaches to starting an episode (Devil In The Dark and Tomorrow Is Yesterday were also creative in barely featuring the Enterprise at all) are rare and I really appreciate them.

    It’s likewise welcome to have a McCoy-centred story, another rarity in the series. I think the last one was FTWIHAIHTS but this tale takes several cues from Friday’s Child, delving into events from McCoy’s past for inspiration. In both episodes he spent some time on an alien planet, acquiring a lot of first hand information about the culture.
    Curiously, both Capellans and Dramians tower over the average human - what is it about McCoy and tall aliens in his past? ;)

    The mystery this week is what caused the plague on Dramia’s neighbouring planet, the aptly named “Dramia-II”. It’s a little unclear as to where Dramia-II is in the same solar system or not (especially given the short travel time) but given the ferocity of the “aurora” I think it’s safe to conclude that Dramia-II would have to be several light years away for it still to be an unknown phenomenon.
    McCoy finds a cure (of course) and the audience are given a nice classroom lesson on how some diseases provide immunity against others – which in this case, is also an outright cure! Not quite what Edward Jenner had in mind, but woven into the plot fairly well.

    However, the events which initiate the need for this cure are careless to the point of grossly incompetent, beginning with beaming down onto a plague planet without even a simple forcefield belt.Then there’s this space aurora floating around near Dramia-II which scans as safe but actually induces a horrific death in anyone it comes into contact with. It’s scary, but not as scary as the casual disregard everyone shows both for this unknown phenomenon and basic disease isolation procedures. For instance, when plague breaks out on the Enterprise Kirk orders a quarantine for Kol-Tai WHILE STANDING NEXT TO HIM. :eek:
    Later, Spock recklessly leaves the ship and walks around without unprotected on the surface of Dramia. He might well be immune but how does that rule him out being a carrier (he could not return to the ship in Miri).

    Having said all that, the voice acting, dialogue, pacing and visuals in this episode are all really good. I just wish the writer had treated the subject matter more responsibly as it would only have taken minimal tweaks to the script (and the judicious application of forcefield belts!). Terms like "inoculation" and "quarantine" are used but never shown to be practised.
    The subject matter on TAS may be simplified for children but it should never be misleading like this.


    OTHER THOUGHTS:
    • The Dramians’ body design is excellent – and their additional height adds an extra level of menace when McCoy first learns about the arrest warrant.
    • Despite advanced paperless technology being available, the Dramians provide Kirk with McCoy’s arrest warrant in a nifty purple scroll
    • So…the Federation approved the arrest warrant, then allowed McCoy to go to Dramia and work hard on their problem KNOWING he was going to get arrested afterwards???
      That’s dark :eek:
    • Hoping to exonerate McCoy, Kirk goes to the hall of justice! Is Superman at home? :guffaw:
    • In would normally be a diplomatic nightmare due to Kirk utilising the facilities of the Enterprise to subvert a member world’s justice system - they’re out of Starfleet communication range. How convenient!
    • The bit of subterfuge when Kirk plans to lure Demos on board is nice in concept and has good dialogue but is horribly executed: Demos WATCHES the shuttlebay doors open and STILL decides it’s a good idea to fly inside. What a maroon! :rolleyes:
    • Scotty’s disgusted reaction when he first meets Kol-Tai is a little extreme – did he mistake their guest for another space hippy? :biggrin:
    • Kirk turning pastel blue is more hilarious than menacing – couldn’t a different shade have been used? The shade of green is better.
    • When disease breaks out on board, the crew are helpless without McCoy. What about Doctors M’Benga and Sanchezare they both out of commission already?
    • Spock takes command! This means he needs to start being an insufferable dick, right? :whistle:

    THE HUMOUROUS ENDING
    Perhaps because the episode starts with an “ending” the writer decided to insert a double length portion of Spock/McCoy dialogue at the end? :rolleyes:
    This is IMO the worst way to close out a somewhat problematic episode and the dialogue is not even related to anything from the plot - is it really down to McCoy alone to personally dispense vitamin rations to the crew? Are there really no other medical professionals on board other than him and Chapel??? And who mentioned Hippocrates?
    Oh, is the episode still running short? No problem, just keep looping that “comedy” music and insert various reaction shots. Oh, and have Kirk awkward cover his mouth. Yeah, that’s classic Trek gold right there!
    :brickwall::brickwall::brickwall:

    Next week – another disease story! :wtf:
     
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  5. Maurice

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    There’s a Hall of Justice in San Francisco, which often inspires me to go all Ted Knight as I drive past: “Meanwhile, at the Hall of Justice, Wonder Woman is drinking a smoothie. “ etc.
     
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  6. Mytran

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    That's me showing my British ignorance of such terms!
    But I'm glad I'm not the only one it sounds super-hero-like to :D
     
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    It sounds like planets Dramia and Dramia Two are not in the same star system. The "Dramian star system" might not be the name of the star system's star, either. I can see naming a first colonized planet in another near star system as Dramia Two; sort of like naming a planet Earth Two in many other science fiction stories. Just a thought. YMMV :).
     
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    It could also be that Dramia is a binary star system like Alpha Centauri, and each of the two planets is around one of the stars.
     
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    The planet in the series Earth II or G889 was some twenty two light years from Earth and in the show took twenty two years to reach was obviously not in our solar system either! So Dramia II being of a similar distance perhaps may not have been readily reachable by Dramian science especially after the plague and they're rebuilding their society either!
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  10. Mytran

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    I went back and forth a lot about whether the planet Dramia is in the same solar system as Dramia-II as there is information in the episode suggesting both!
    • Whilst still in orbit of Dramia, Spock brings up their limited information about the plague, saying "The historical records of this solar system are spotty, at best, going back nineteen years." If he were referring to another solar system he ought to said "that" instead of "this" which implies the technical data, meteor showers, auroras, radiation reports all relate to the system they are currently in.
    • Once Kirk states they are underway to Dramia-II, Sulu announces a journey time of 4 hours. At 1/4 lightspeed this would put the orbit of Dramia-II at around that of Jupiter, yet the planet still seems M-Class
    • Kirk orders an increase to Warp 6 - we've seen that warp speed within a solar system is often slow as molasses, so this would seem pointless. However, 4 hours or less to journey to a nearby star is consistent with the high speeds we've seen elsewhere in TAS (i.e.The Lorelai Signal)
    • When Demos is captured sneaking on board he says Kirk has no authority "to conduct an investigation in our star system." Is he chastising Kirk for what he's currently doing (the journey could be seen as part of the investigation)? But whether the Enterprise is currently in interstellar space or not, Dramia-II is definitely under Dramian rule so he may be just talking in the future tense.
    • Taking the direct route back to Dramia the Enterprise flies straight through one of the auroras Spock mentioned earlier. This phenomenon is so virulent that it causes "plague" within hours, despite not making physical contact with the crew - just as with the planet Dramia-II 10 years previously.
    If the auroras were really this common and dangerous in the same solar system as Dramia, it's likely that life would have been wiped out millennia ago. At the very least they would have been well known and studied by the Dramians!
    Hence, I lean towards Dramia-II being in a different solar system.
     
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    There's a good chance that the Dramian Star System is a binary star based on real astrological observations of other stars, so, technically, Dramia-II could be orbiting another star and that both stars together are the Dramian Star System, too.
     
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    And why didn't Dramian ships go to Dramia II after the plague? Scared, spent years rebuilding their technology or couldn't be bothered? :shifty:
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  13. Poltargyst

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    The Pirates of Penzance...er...Orion

    I don't remember this one, but the title sounds cool.

    Hm, a new Academy of Science on Deneb V. In Star Trek, the Deneb system is like the Rigel system with having a lot of activity there:

    Deneb II--where Redjac once killed a number of women.
    Deneb IV--Kirk and Gary Mitchell have a history there. Picard will be assigned to go there to see Farpoint Station and end up meeting Q. Also the home of the Denebian slime devil Kirk was compared to.
    Deneb V--our crew's current destination where the inhabitants once offered Harry Mudd his choice of a number of interesting modes of execution. Maybe they should have invited Harry to come along. :)

    Choriocytosis. They do a good job coming up with disease names in this show.

    Another disease on board? They just had a plague last week!

    The front view we get of the Enterprise is pretty cool.

    All those episodes (like last week and when he gave the blood-drinking cloud indigestion in Obsession) where Spock's Vulcan physiology gives him immunity, but this time he's the only one affected.

    So the Potemkin is to get the strobolin and give it to a freighter. Gee, I wonder if the captain of the Potemkin will stop to investigate a quasar-like entity (Galileo 7) or fight with a gas cloud (Obsession) before he delivers the medicine. Shoe's on the other foot now, eh, Kirk?

    That's a funky looking freighter. Interesting to see another crew at work.

    GAH! McCoy calls the bridge from Sickbay to have Spock sent down but when we see Kirk in the command chair, McCoy is standing right next to him! And then he disappears again! What manner of wizardry is this???

    Wow, Nichelle and Majel are BOTH in this episode. In the past they've had either one or the other and the one they've had had to do the voices for all female characters in the episode.

    You'd think freighters would travel with escorts or at least have better defensive capabilities.

    McCoy: "I'll have to put a respirator on him to help him breathe soon. " GAH! Spock has coronavirus!

    Okay what is up with this pronunciation of Orion? I would say Oh-RYE-on, but everyone this episode is saying OR-ee-on. Didn't they say Oh-RYE-on on TOS?

    Kirk: "OR-ee-on's neutrality has been in dispute ever since the affair regarding the Coridan planets and the Babel Conference of stardate 3850.3. Yesterday, a Federation freighter was attacked in this quadrant, its cargo hijacked. As the first alien ship encountered, we require you to submit to search, as per Babel Resolution A12. Reply. " Nice callback to JTB. And now I remember the attacking ship in JTB was Oh-RYE-on.

    Does Kirk have the authority to give away a shipment of dilithium? Doesn't matter, I know Kirk would do anything for Spock.

    Why aren't these OR-ee-ons green? Did they catch last week's plague and turn blue?

    The OR-ee-on captain and his lieutenant kick around technical solutions like any Starfleet crew we've seen do.

    Is it my imagination or are there more voice actors this episode than in others we've seen? Were they able to splurge since there's only six episodes this season?

    McCoy: "If we don't have that drug in twenty hours, he'll die. " Star Trek once again giving us an exact to-the-minute countdown for a biological process. How can McCoy know to the minute when Spock will die? Who says it won't be in 16 hours or 36?

    A good episode. I liked it. Good action, good story.

    Alien Watch! Hm, we've seen Oh-RYE-ons before, so they're not new aliens. But these guys are blue and called OR-ee-ons. New species? Decisions, decisions...

    Season One
    The Glommer
    Arex*
    Retlaw Plant
    Agmar and his Phylosian posse
    Swoopers
    Yellow winged bird guy (Aleek)
    Spock's teddy bear with fangs (sehlat)
    Green cat thing that sounds like Godzilla (le-matya)
    300 million year old alien on viewscreen log
    Green energy Redjac wannabe
    The Vendorian
    Lt. M'Ress
    Remarkably human-looking Taureans.
    The planet-eating, Majel Roddenberry-voiced cloud from another galaxy.
    Alien miners of Arcadia
    Rigelian hypnoid
    Giant rock creatures
    Remarkably human-looking (when they want to be except for that rebel Lucien guy) Megans
    Assorted heretofore unseen aliens on the Delta Triangle's ruling council
    The Kzinti (whom no one will mistake for Mensa candidates)
    Aquans, both stogy elders and rebellious kids.
    Sur-snake of Argo
    The scardy Bug Guy
    The Vedalian
    The...remarkably human-looking alien (?) Lara
    The not-a-Gorn lizard guy.
    Translucent gossamer mice!
    Glowing halo fish!
    The red beastie in the lake on Lactra Seven
    The dinosaur beastie that fell on McCoy on Lactra Seven
    The flying purple people eating dragons on Lactra Seven that look suspiciously like other flying purple people eating dragons we've seen.
    The telepathic slugs of Lactra Seven.
    Assorted aliens captured by the slugs of Lactra Seven.

    Season Two
    Bem the Annoying, a Pandronian.
    The lizard people of Delta Theta Three who are not Gorns nor are they of Sord's people.
    The lizard people's Entity/Companion/Goddess
    Dramians of the planet Dramia in the Dramian star system
    The mysterious blue-skinned OR-ee-ons

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  14. Mytran

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    THE PIRATES OF ORION

    This is your classic Trek adventure – there’s a clear objective, new space hardware, personal sacrifice, the crew banding together and Kirk even gets a fight scene. Good, solid stuff. :biggrin:

    There’s also useful and ACCURATE educational information conveyed - choriocytosis affects Vulcans much more severely than humans. That’s what happens when a virus jumps species, kids! :techman:
    We also get a nice graphic of how the disease affects Spock’s blood cells
    Still more knowledge is dropped in how Spock’s body builds up an immunity to the synthetic drug. This is why we shouldn’t medicate unnecessarily! :techman:
    Our final lesson is that sometimes suicide is NOT the answer – who knew? :shrug:

    Apparently this odd pronunciation also confused Howard Weinstein (the writer of the episode) when he saw the finished product! :guffaw:
    In-universe, it's very odd. Are they Orions or Oree-ons? Kirk suggests they (the species that the space pirates belong to) were connected with the incident during Journey To Babel but while those were the Orions, everyone in this episode consistently says Oree-ons.
    Is this Vulcan/Vulcanian thing? :whistle:

    NEW SHIPS
    A double treat this week!
    • The cargo SS Huron looks very well designed for its purpose, having a large cargo hold. Its Bridge is also new and suitably compact for this type of vessel.
    • The Orion ship is beautifully weird and alien in design! The Orions themselves are somewhat more conventional in appearance, but (assuming they are related to the Orion slave girl species) they had to conform to pre-existing Trek core.

    TREK LORE
    Kirk says that McCoy’s been a doctor for 25 years. Depending on when he qualified, that would put his age at around 50

    OTHER THOUGHTS:
    • It seems that last week’s sloppy attitudes to quarantine haven’t improved, as the entire crew has just recovered from an outbreak of choriocytosis. No wonder Starfleet eventually built a bio-filter into the transporter – Starfleet personnel are clearly rubbish at preventing this sort of thing!
    • For once, the Enterprise is NOT the only ship in the quadrant! As a result, effective use can be made of the entire Starfleet support network with several ships involved in transferring the vital medicine.
    • At one point puts himself into a state of deep meditation while on the Bridge, in order to conserve energy. If things are this desperate, why is he still on duty at all? Get him to stay in Sickbay or at the very least his quarters!
    • Mr Arex doubles as science officer, just like Chekov sometimes did in TOS. Are all navigators required to be multi-disciplined?
    • Kirk goes out alone on the landing party, but this time it’s somewhat justified due to the circumstances. In addition, he actually takes precautionary measures, which come in very handy!
    • The Orion pirates are prepared to kill themselves just to maintain neutrality? Wow, these guys really play hardball!
    • The Orion captain beams down with an “explosive device” but later Scotty picks up signs of dilithium. Is that because dilithium is seen as a power source in this episode? Perhaps an energy magnifier? It’s been used as both in TOS, depending on the episode.

    This excellent episode is rounded out with some DECENT Spock/McCoy banter – actually stemming organically from the story this week! It’s easy to see why Howard Weinstein went on to have such a successful career in writing (even returning to Trek) and the writer of last week’s Albatross drifted off into obscurity. Weinstein actually understands the subject matter he’s writing about, even when produced for a kids TV show.
     
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    That Oree-On nonsense and Babbell instead of Orr-Ion and Bay-Bell from the original series are two of the annoying parts of the cartoon series! It's weird that Shatner says them and so do the rest of the cast so it's not Bill being awkward as such but who told them to pronounce it that way considering they were different in the live action series?
    JB
     
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    Six years ago...I assume someone phonetically wrote out the word on the scripts who was ignorant of Trek, and the cast literally were just phoning in the dialog.
     
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    Ah, so these are Greek Orions! :techman:
     
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    Well we know that in Encounter at Farpoint McCoy is 137 in the year 2364, so that seems like a good guess.
     
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    I think we're missing a few years... McCoy's Farpoint age puts his birthday in 2227. The Trek Lore period would have to be set at 2277 for a 50 year old McCoy. If the episode was set in 2274, then he was only 22 years old when made a doctor (47 years old minus 25 years); okay. But, we all assume that the period was in the original five year mission, so probably the year is closer to 2270 at the latest, making McCoy only 18 when made doctor. Was he another Doogie Howser?