Production Order Group Viewing 2018

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  1. Maurice

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    Fixed that for you, unless you meant Dramia and Dramia-II are Geminis. ;)
     
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  2. Mytran

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    Perhaps Kirk is backdating his statement to when McCoy first started doing anything remotely medical? It would track with McCoy's exasperation that he feels useless without his full doctorate and bag of tricks, whereas Kirk is trying to reassure him that it goes deeper than that.
    From this we can infer that McCoy was a "healer" of some sort since his mid teens.

    Maybe? :whistle:
     
  3. Poltargyst

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    The Practical Joker

    I remember things about this episode unlike many others we've seen this rewatch. Apparently this episode was of great importance to me as a child. Like finding out that Kirk is, in fact, a jerk.

    Captain's Log:"The cruise has been uneventful and we are now approaching the final asteroid in our assigned sector"
    Spock: "Romulans, Captain. They were apparently lying in wait on the far side of that asteroid. "

    It's always the last asteroid you have to worry about.

    So they're charting asteroids near the Romulan Neutral Zone. Methinks they've also been assigned to keep an eye on the Romulans while they're there.

    Cool to see Romulans again. I'd like to see them in their Bird of Prey ships however.

    What are the Romulans thinking though? They are going to get a quick kill of a Federation starship and then what? Go to war with the Federation?

    Wonder why the Romulans didn't just go around the energy field and meet the Enterprise on the other side.

    Arex in the command chair! Don't tell me he outranks Uhura too. :angryrazz:

    I would not have put on a shirt that said "Kirk is a Jerk" on it. I would find some alternative if I had to wear a yeoman's miniskirt.

    It's neat in this episode how we get to see again what the crew do when they're not on duty. Chillin' in the dining room having a meal, enjoying the holodeck.

    And here we do see Star Trek's first holodeck. I remember watching TNG and it dawning on me that I'd seen a holodeck before.

    But here, the holodeck is introduced so that it can be a source of danger. You'd think there would be a safety mechanism, but I suppose the computer would have deactivated it.

    Spock: "Affirmative. The dysfunction is more severe than I thought. Question. Are you deliberately holding our missing crewmembers prisoner? "
    Computer: "I'll never tell. "
    Kirk: "Let me try." Because if anyone can talk a computer into doing what he wants, it's Kirk. He's chomping at the bit to take down another computer. First, as usual, he starts to set a Logic Trap:

    Kirk:"This is Captain James T Kirk speaking. You are programmed to obey any direct order I may give, correct? "
    Computer: "Correct"

    Oh, he's got her. Now he just needs to land the knockout blow and have the computer's head spinning...

    Kirk:"Very well. I order you to release crewmembers McCoy, Sulu and Uhura immediately. " BAM! But...

    Computer: "Say please." IT DOESN'T WORK!!!!!! Kirk's vaunted talking a computer to death FAILS! She does what Landru, Nomad, M-5 couldn't: beat Kirk's Logic Trap. With sass. That's the problem. The other computers couldn't do sass.

    And there is precedent for it. Such as when the inhabitants of Cygnet Fourteen gave the computer a female personality complete with giggling.

    Sulu: "The temperature must be twenty below and its still dropping." And he knows what that feels like. Poor Sulu, in another situation where he has to survive very low subzero temperatures. Like I said in my review of The Naked Time, though, it really seems overblown and unnecessary to use such a low temperature. Surely saying it was in the single digits would suffice. I don't think they would manage as well as they did and recover as fast as they did if it was really 20 below.

    Huh. Does Starfleet use Farenheit or Celsius?

    This is another episode with a lot of voice actors. Nichelle and Majel are both in the episode and others play the Romulans. It's also another episode where we see both M'ress and Arex.

    Why would the Enterprise have a giant balloon replica of itself in the shuttle bay? How did the computer create that?

    Don't the Romulans have sensors to know it's just a balloon?

    You mean all you have to do to beat Romulans is make them feel foolish?

    It doesn't necessarily follow that going through the energy field again would fix everything. I would think it would just make things worse.

    The Enterprise wasn't in danger of breaking up in the energy field, but the Romulan ships were. Romulan ships are cheaply constructed.

    I enjoyed the episode. It was fun to see the crew in their off hours again, the mystery of what was going on was interesting, and seeing the first appearance of a holodeck was cool. And it's always cool to see TOS-era Romulans.

    Alien Watch! No new aliens this week.

    Season One
    The Glommer
    Arex*
    Retlaw Plant
    Agmar and his Phylosian posse
    Swoopers
    Yellow winged bird guy (Aleek)
    Spock's teddy bear with fangs (sehlat)
    Green cat thing that sounds like Godzilla (le-matya)
    300 million year old alien on viewscreen log
    Green energy Redjac wannabe
    The Vendorian
    Lt. M'Ress
    Remarkably human-looking Taureans.
    The planet-eating, Majel Roddenberry-voiced cloud from another galaxy.
    Alien miners of Arcadia
    Rigelian hypnoid
    Giant rock creatures
    Remarkably human-looking (when they want to be except for that rebel Lucien guy) Megans
    Assorted heretofore unseen aliens on the Delta Triangle's ruling council
    The Kzinti (whom no one will mistake for Mensa candidates)
    Aquans, both stogy elders and rebellious kids.
    Sur-snake of Argo
    The scardy Bug Guy
    The Vedalian
    The...remarkably human-looking alien (?) Lara
    The not-a-Gorn lizard guy.
    Translucent gossamer mice!
    Glowing halo fish!
    The red beastie in the lake on Lactra Seven
    The dinosaur beastie that fell on McCoy on Lactra Seven
    The flying purple people eating dragons on Lactra Seven that look suspiciously like other flying purple people eating dragons we've seen.
    The telepathic slugs of Lactra Seven.
    Assorted aliens captured by the slugs of Lactra Seven.

    Season Two
    Bem the Annoying, a Pandronian.
    The lizard people of Delta Theta Three who are not Gorns nor are they of Sord's people.
    The lizard people's Entity/Companion/Goddess
    Dramians of the planet Dramia in the Dramian star system
    The mysterious blue-skinned OR-ee-ons

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    The Stardate of 3183.3 is strange for The Practical Joker. The episode should be set after The Enterprise Incident at
    Stardate 5027.3 which was when Kirk first discovered Romulans in D7's. :shrug:
     
  5. Mytran

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    THE PRACTICAL JOKER

    This episode begins with a nice, routine mission of surveying asteroids. But then they encounter Romulans! Still using Klingon designs I see, albeit with a bit of fresh paint in certain areas = very snazzy! :techman:
    Seeking refuge from the triad of troublesome trespassers, the Enterprise hides in a nearby nebula, picking up an unwanted energy being along the way. This plot element was later recycled into an early TNG episode (Lonely Among Us), although at least here the Enterprise has a justifiable reason for flying into an unknown phenomenon with such abandon.

    The rest of the episode consists of gags with different levels of comedic success, devolving quickly into a “technology run amuck” story. As a “comedy” episode it’s not too bad and because the antagonist is the Enterprise herself, the threat to our heroes is at least fairly compelling.

    Eventually Kirk does his “frightened” face and a bit of bluffing to save the day. This is as good a solution as any to a silly and reasonably entertaining episode, so long as you ignore the logical and scientific abysses.
    The final “joke” that was played on the Romulans is just a variation of the classic “no Tribble at all” gag but quite at home here. :shrug:


    THE JOKES
    The focus on the jokes leads to numerous inconsistencies in the plot and characters :brickwall:
    The senior staff are so please with themselves for evading the Romulans that they all sit down for a banquet together, which Scotty confirms is their lunch. But he’s also in a later scene with Arex and M’Ress having their lunch. Is this Scotty’s second lunch or is it the following day? Exactly how long was the Enterprise on “layover” for repairs?
    Also, is it really necessary for the majority of the Bridge crew to dine together? Who’s keeping watch, Mr Arex? Probably, he’s proving to be a dab hand at everything else!
    Also in that dining scene it’s implied that the food synthesizers themselves seem to be responsible for constructing the glasses as well as delivering the food itself.
    However, later the food slot just spits out various foodstuffs onto Scotty in a manner which suggests that everything is stored there, intact, waiting to be delivered. So which is it?
    Mr Spock seeing an unknown instrument on his console and shoving his eyes against it anyway seems reckless and not at all like him
    Then there’s the giant, inflatable Enterprise which conveniently the Romulans didn’t bother to do any more than basic scans of. How convenient!
    Leaving aside where this monstrosity came from (industrial fabricators could be repurposed after all), this is featured in the SAME EPISODE that utilises ultra-sophisticated holographic projections. The dots are all there, the plot just doesn’t bother to connect them :rolleyes:


    TREK TECH
    The Rec Room is nothing short of amazing! Has it been here the whole time?
    It’s also HUGE! Is this what got retrofitted into the Cargo Deck in TMP?
    Still, given Uhura’s suggestion that they just walk until they hit a wall it doesn’t seem like there’s much in the way of “treadmilling” going on so perhaps the large space is essential?
    Then again, the tech could be brand new and Uhura is just guessing on a solution.
    Overall, an excellent addition, so long as the concept isn’t overused…:devil:


    OTHER THOUGHTS:
    • I just love the sinister eyebrow that the Romulan commander raises when he says “We had no choice but to defend ourselves”
    • Then there’s his claim that the Enterprise has violated the Neutral Zone. Does the RNZ run down the middle of this asteroid field? Or if new, can territory borders really change so rapidly? Kirk never denies the Romulan Commander’s claim – but whether that’s because it’s true or because he just ignores such a blatantly false statement is never made clear.
    • TAS continues to dumb down future tech with McCoy remarking that an odd noise might simply be the audio tapes rewinding. REALLY??? :brickwall:
    • Apparently recalling the events of Once Upon A Planet, Kirk orders Scott down to the Computer Room on the first sign of trouble, although fortunately there’s nothing dodgy being constructed there this time. If this is the same “Computer Bay” as that episode then we get to see a lot more of it – although sadly it’s yet another variation on the “engine room” background plate.
    • Poor McCoy is almost frozen to death in a blizzard, just like in All Our Yesterdays. This is getting to be a bit of a habit!
     
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  6. Henoch

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    The hole in the holo-rec-deck sure seems to use force fields plus holograms in order to trap the guys. It seems to only affect the actual area of the rec room with the visual "horizon" extended only via 3D hologram, i.e. as you say: no treadmill force fields.
     
  7. Poltargyst

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    How Sharper Than a Serpent's Tooth

    As I sit down on Easter Sunday to watch TAS and celebrate the resurrection of our lord...Kukulkan?

    I was going to ask where the title came from but they explain it. It's Shakepeare complaining about ungrateful children.

    It's an exciting open. Kirk describes a probe scanning Earth and beaming a signal of what it found, and now someone's coming!

    Mr. Walking Bear? I see we needed a Native American character this episode.

    Very cool when the ship transforms into the likeness of Kukulkan.

    And so Star Trek reminds us that apparently every character in Earth's myths or legends actually existed and was an alien come to live on Earth for a while. From Apollo to Lucifer to Kukulkan. I can't wait until they go to the North Pole planet and find Santa Claus. "Ho ho ho, hundreds of years ago I came to your planet, but you were just children then, so I gave you presents! Now you will stay with me forever and help me make toys!"

    You mean to tell me that no one in ancient times could figure out how to turn four mirrors to reflect the sun to the top of a pyramid that Kirk figures out in like 5 minutes? And that's all it took for Kukulkan to be happy?

    And Kukulkan is a poor teacher. If your students aren't getting the lesson how about returning on your own to help them out?

    I see Kukulkan has his creatures hooked up to the Matrix.

    According to wiki, the Capellan power cat is from Capella IV, setting of Friday's Child. It makes sense McCoy would recognize it since he spent time on Capella IV. But how in the heck do the Capellans deal with those things armed only with kligats? And as is common for beings from Capella, it usually likes to sing without music...

    I like Spock figuring out how to escape the energy bubble. As I've said before, if this was TNG it would have been some explanation about how if they use the warp core to reverse polarity of a stream of tachyon particles they could render the bubble out of phase and blah blah blah. Here, Spock is going to use the tractor beam to simultaneously pull and push on the bubble rendering it brittle so it breaks and they are flung free. Simple. No technobabble necessary.

    I don't think I buy that Kirk could get close to the power cat and hypo it without getting killed. I don't think I buy that one hypo would be enough to calm the cat, but okay, it's strong stuff.

    Spock: "Not legends, Doctor. Fact. Vulcan was visited by alien beings. They left much wiser. " Ha!

    Kukulkan seems to have been more prolific than Apollo, influencing cultures around the world while Apollo sat around watching sheep and drinking ambrosia and hitting on women.

    I know nothing about Mayan mythology except that we were all supposed to die in 2012*, but Kukulkan is pretty badass.

    *(I understand that's not exactly what the Mayan beliefs said.)

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    Here's another artist's rendition:

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    Guess who's here? (It ain't the Easter Bunny).

    A multicolored winged giant snake. Badass.

    So Kukulkan wants to lecture Kirk about his using weapons and when Kirk reminds him he attacked first, Kukulkan comes back with "well, I'm the god, I can do what I want."

    I liked it. I like mythology, so an episode making me think about Mayan mythology was interesting to me. But we've seen this before. This was Who Mourns for Adonais Part II. Ancient alien was on Earth thousands of years ago and now wants to relive the good old days, just expecting humans to drop everything and worship him again only to learn like Apollo, the Talosians, and the giant slugs of Lactra Seven that Humans Can Not Be Contained!

    Alien Watch! There's an m-fing snake on my m-fing plane!

    Season One
    The Glommer
    Arex*
    Retlaw Plant
    Agmar and his Phylosian posse
    Swoopers
    Yellow winged bird guy (Aleek)
    Spock's teddy bear with fangs (sehlat)
    Green cat thing that sounds like Godzilla (le-matya)
    300 million year old alien on viewscreen log
    Green energy Redjac wannabe
    The Vendorian
    Lt. M'Ress
    Remarkably human-looking Taureans.
    The planet-eating, Majel Roddenberry-voiced cloud from another galaxy.
    Alien miners of Arcadia
    Rigelian hypnoid
    Giant rock creatures
    Remarkably human-looking (when they want to be except for that rebel Lucien guy) Megans
    Assorted heretofore unseen aliens on the Delta Triangle's ruling council
    The Kzinti (whom no one will mistake for Mensa candidates)
    Aquans, both stogy elders and rebellious kids.
    Sur-snake of Argo
    The scardy Bug Guy
    The Vedalian
    The...remarkably human-looking alien (?) Lara
    The not-a-Gorn lizard guy.
    Translucent gossamer mice!
    Glowing halo fish!
    The red beastie in the lake on Lactra Seven
    The dinosaur beastie that fell on McCoy on Lactra Seven
    The flying purple people eating dragons on Lactra Seven that look suspiciously like other flying purple people eating dragons we've seen.
    The telepathic slugs of Lactra Seven.
    Assorted aliens captured by the slugs of Lactra Seven.

    Season Two
    Bem the Annoying, a Pandronian.
    The lizard people of Delta Theta Three who are not Gorns nor are they of Sord's people.
    The lizard people's Entity/Companion/Goddess
    Dramians of the planet Dramia in the Dramian star system
    The mysterious blue-skinned OR-ee-ons
    Kukulkan the Badass
    Capellan power cat
    Assorted creatures in Kukulkan's menagerie

    *by request
     
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  8. Henoch

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    The tractor beam seems to emit from multiple areas of the saucer; I suspect a production error in overlaying the filmation slides. I would correct it so that the tractor beam was repositioned to emit from the sensor dome on the bottom of the saucer or from just above it a la phasers, torpedoes, etc.
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  9. Poltargyst

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    I like that art work.
     
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    HOW SHARPER THAN A SERPENT'S TOOTH

    Enterprise to the rescue, tracking the origin of a mysterious space probe! Kirk calls the engine tech “highly advanced” yet just like the incredible “ion drive” from Spock’s Brain it seems a simple task to follow its trail.
    Good job none of these aliens thought to “mask their warp trail” like in later incarnations of Trek
    Still, at least there’s consistency … not mention a host of reused Trek Tropes, starting with encountering an energy blob!
    :beer:
    Then we have Kirk phasers the opposing ship when it starts acting offensively, reminiscent of the cube probe in The Corbomite Manoeuvre.

    And where’s Sulu? Is this Mr WalkingBear going to start panicking and then learn a lesson, finally agreeing to an officer exchange? Is he going to start regaling his captain with strangely on point “tales from his tribe”?
    Not at all, for despite his unusual name Mr WalkingBear is no anachronism or relic of the past plonked onto the Bridge to provide exposition, but a modern 23rd century human who just happens to have an interest in various but with an interest “many ancient Earth peoples”, including his own. His skills as an impartial historian are further demonstrated as he observes what he sees on Kukulkan ship without bias to his own cultural history.

    Don't jest, I can see exactly that plot in the extremely underfunded season 6! :guffaw:
    I wonder if Apollo’s people or the Megans or the Platonians ever uncovered evidence of his presence?

    We again get the same debate hashed out already with the Talosians (The Menagerie) and the Lactrans (Eye Of The Beholder) about the benefits of a truly free life versus a caged one, even if that has the illusion of freedom.

    The main saving grace of this episode is the expanse and wonder of the visuals. From giant pyramids to ominous and threatening space-dragon-gods, this story takes full advantage of the animated medium.

    Eventually Kukulkan learns the same lesson as Apollo did back in Season Two and then leaves. An interesting twist on an old Trek plot trope that adds a lot of visual fun but this is definitely well trodden ground by now.


    LET’S TALK…RELIGION!
    The collections of landscapes showing different cultures each expressing only a part of Kukulkan’s teachings could be seen as a comment on all religions with a saviour - He/She never returned be because we followed God’s directives incorrectly!
    Or is it the inability of human minds to comprehend the supernatural (AKA highly advanced aliens)?

    The techniques that Kukulkan made use of when visiting Earth are eerily similar to indoctrination since birth, highlighted during the discussion of the Capellan Power Cat
    He might be benevolent in his motives, but these are the attitudes and actions of an absolute dictator or even a cult leader.


    OTHER THOUGHTS
    • Spock adequately explains the “force globe” before declaring that he cannot explain it. Does his statement lose something in the translation?
    • This week Lt Uhura is on comms. Good to see she's still turning up to work sometimes. :biggrin:
    • McCoy’s curmudgeonlyness is interrupted by Kirk in quite a humorous way – the captain just doesn’t have time for that today :guffaw:
    • Kublakan has something like a Holodeck (AKA recreation room). So why is McCoy surprised to see it?
    • Kirk’s scared face appears again in this episode, joined by Spock, McCoy and WalkingBear
    • Spock comes to the rescue again with his plan to escape from the force globe, although it results in them being thrown 5.698 light years. Luckily they’re not using the Warp-cubed formula otherwise it would take them 2.4 days to come back even at Warp 8!
    • McCoy’s drugs also come to the rescue again with the Capellan Power Cat
    • Apparently the Vulcans also had their own spin on the “ancient aliens” myths, naturally with the usual “superior Vulcan” spin. :rolleyes:
      Or was he making a sly jab at the Earthmen who visited Vulcan who were positively influenced by them?

    Kirk’s final lament isn’t quite as mournful as his one in Who Mourns For Adonais. Are the humans really equivalent to thankless children? Didn’t Kirk just say that they don’t NEED Kukulkan anymore? How is it thankless if they honestly don’t need a particular guide or service anymore?

    It’s all a little confused. Let’s hope next week’s episode (the final one of all Star Trek) will be more straightforward with its storytelling.
     
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    A new form of FTL technology: create force globe around ship; pop it; instantly move ~6 lys (with research, exact distance jumps probably could be developed); repeat until you get to your destination. :bolian:
     
  12. Mytran

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    Except that the energy required to propel the ship must be contained within the force globe, generated initially by Kukulkan's vessel. Even if the former god would be willing to share the tech, couldn't that energy just be channelled directly into propulsion?

    And anyway, Spock still can't explain it ;)
     
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    This makes no sense. Spock can't explain it (the force bubble), but he knows how to defeat it AND calculate that it will throw the ship 5.698 lightyears! That's some wanky science. :vulcan:
     
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    Sheer Vulcanian awesomeness, baby! :beer:
     
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    The Counter-Clock Incident

    And so we come to end of our Trek. The end of things is a time for reflection. This seems like a fitting final episode as there are a number of cool callbacks.

    How cool is it that they are going to Babel? We learn that the ambassadors still meet there and do ambassadory things.

    I liked meeting first Captain of the Enterprise Robert April. I remember being disappointed when the Captain of the Enterprise in ENT was Jonathan Archer not Robert April. Is it possible they mean April was the first Captain of the Connie-class Enterprise?

    The Enterprise was built at the Naval shipyards in San Francisco. Is this the first we hear that?

    Two episodes in a row we meet creatures from Capella IV. Last week we met the Capellan Power Cat, this week we learn that Sarah's flower is also from Capella IV.

    I wonder what adventures April had as Captain of the Enterprise. Did he meet any gods from Earth?

    The discussion of Sarah's career makes the Federation seem very young and warp travel very new. She served as the first medical officer on a ship with warp drive. If she's 75 like Robert, then warp drive was developed in that time frame and not a couple hundred years earlier.

    Sarah's not referring to the Bonaventure, is she?

    Beta Niobe! It's the supernova from All Our Yesterdays! How cool is that? What a cool callback, and they don't even explain it in the episode. Just leave it there as an Easter egg for the true fans.

    Warp 36! Personally, I had no problem with the TOS-era warp scale as opposed to the TNG-era scale that tops off with warp 10. And don't even get me started on the idea that if you go warp 10 you turn into a giant salamander.

    How are they keeping the tractor beam on a ship going warp 36 while they're only going warp 11?

    The Enterprise is going warp 22! I guess it's not blowing up because their engines are not engaged? Still it's interesting to note that the structure of the Enterprise can handle that speed. Is that the fastest a Federation ship has ever gone?

    But reversing time wouldn't really make people grow younger, would it? Probably best not to think about it.

    And how exactly does this "starting out old and growing young" thing work anyway? Do old people spontaneously appear and then start growing younger? Spock refers to someone being "born" old. Am I to believe women have to give birth to fully-grown adult senior citizens? And what about the gruesome end of your life when you become a fetus, an embryo, a collection of cells, a fertilized egg, an egg and a sperm? Probably best not to think about it.

    Am I reading that map right? The star they have to get to is all the way across the galaxy? And they only have 18 minutes to get there before someone becomes a fetus? Does warp 36 get you across the galaxy that fast? If only Janeway had had access to such technology.

    Can't the Enterprise fly forward with its engines in reverse?

    This is quite the opposite problem from The Deadly Years, the crew now too YOUNG to function. And there is once again a Commodore handy to step in. This one knows what he's doing.

    The rendering of the young crew is good. Even Arex looks younger.

    There just so happened to be old people aboard for this particular crisis.

    What! They used everyone's transporter patterns to just poof them back to normal? I knew that was going be a deus ex machina when they first introduced it.

    All this talk of braking thrusters reminds me of TVH.

    Personally, I would stay young if I was the Aprils. I mean why not?

    Karla never actually says her name is Karla Five. How do they know?

    It's interesting in this episode that they solve the problem before we even realize the full depths of it, that everyone is going to deage down to fetuses if they don't fix this soon, but they're already underway when we get that.

    They say they need to bring a dead star back to life, but they don't say how they would do that or even show them doing it. Is it that trivial a process?

    I enjoyed it. It was nice to meet the first Captain of the Enterprise. Going to the alternate universe gave me that sense of awe and wonder in exploration that is one of the things Star Trek is all about.

    Alien Watch! Hurry up, I'm not getting any younger.

    Season One
    The Glommer
    Arex*
    Retlaw Plant
    Agmar and his Phylosian posse
    Swoopers
    Yellow winged bird guy (Aleek)
    Spock's teddy bear with fangs (sehlat)
    Green cat thing that sounds like Godzilla (le-matya)
    300 million year old alien on viewscreen log
    Green energy Redjac wannabe
    The Vendorian
    Lt. M'Ress
    Remarkably human-looking Taureans.
    The planet-eating, Majel Roddenberry-voiced cloud from another galaxy.
    Alien miners of Arcadia
    Rigelian hypnoid
    Giant rock creatures
    Remarkably human-looking (when they want to be except for that rebel Lucien guy) Megans
    Assorted heretofore unseen aliens on the Delta Triangle's ruling council
    The Kzinti (whom no one will mistake for Mensa candidates)
    Aquans, both stogy elders and rebellious kids.
    Sur-snake of Argo
    The scardy Bug Guy
    The Vedalian
    The...remarkably human-looking alien (?) Lara
    The not-a-Gorn lizard guy.
    Translucent gossamer mice!
    Glowing halo fish!
    The red beastie in the lake on Lactra Seven
    The dinosaur beastie that fell on McCoy on Lactra Seven
    The flying purple people eating dragons on Lactra Seven that look suspiciously like other flying purple people eating dragons we've seen.
    The telepathic slugs of Lactra Seven.
    Assorted aliens captured by the slugs of Lactra Seven.

    Season Two
    Bem the Annoying, a Pandronian.
    The lizard people of Delta Theta Three who are not Gorns nor are they of Sord's people.
    The lizard people's Entity/Companion/Goddess
    Dramians of the planet Dramia in the Dramian star system
    The mysterious blue-skinned OR-ee-ons
    Kukulkan the Badass
    Capellan power cat
    Assorted creatures in Kukulkan's menagerie
    Sarah's plant from Capella IV
    Karla Five and family

    *by request
     
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  16. Poltargyst

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    Well, it's been nice to see TAS again. Like I said, I hadn't seen it since it aired, so I completely forgot most episodes, only remembering bits and pieces from 47 years prior. It doesn't have as much depth as TOS, but how could it? The stories aren't as deep, we don't get to see the chemistry between the characters. What did I expect, it's a Saturday morning kids show. But I do appreciate that they didn't insult my intelligence with this show. They still made as thoughtful, intelligent, and meaningful episodes as they could with what they had to work with. It's been nice reliving my childhood. Thanks to Mytran for the fun, interesting reviews. You gave me things to think about and thanks to other posters for interesting and fun commentary as well.

    I notice there were no omnipotent aliens and thanks to the wonder of animation, very few remarkably human-looking aliens. The wonder of animation gave us some cool looking ships as well.
     
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  17. Henoch

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    The Curious Case of Benjamin Button...did they rip off TAS?
    Instead of the transporter, they could have just said all the reverse aging unwound back to their normal ages once they returned to our own universe. Unwinding the "Counter-Clock", so to speak. (Vulcan humor :rommie:.)
     
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    As a kid I always thought the ship looked like it had a phaser's nib at the end of it. And that was it's weaponry! Then later on we see that any retaliation from the Enterprise came from the underside of the sphere instead!!!
    So what really was the point of the phaser's nib? :lol:
    JB
     
  19. Mytran

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    THE COUNTER CLOCK INCIDENT

    When Star Trek ended the first time it was with a zany high-concept story mixed with strongly implied institutional sexism.
    Now Star Trek is ending for a second time and the whacky science fiction elements have been turned up to eleven, being mishandled to the point of incoherence! However, at least the subject for social commentary (ageism) is treated with a bit more grace than before, although the effectiveness is a little muddled (see below).

    There’s some fine addition to Trek lore as Commodore Robert April is introduced to the canon, along with his former CMO (and wife). Also that mandatory retirement age is 75 (which seems a little odd by today’s standards but probably seemed elderly in 1973)
    Unfortunately some classic TOS sexism still peeks over the barricades as no-one ever addresses Doctor April by her title and McCoy’s “compliment” implies how unusual it is for a woman to have both brains and beauty.
    We also get a bit of history on the ship - components of Enterprise were assembled in the San Francisco naval yards on Earth.

    It's an odd line and not very consistent with already established Trek, let alone the later incarnations. I prefer to interpret it as her saying that she was the "First Medical Officer" AKA "Chief Medical Officer". It's clunky, but sorta works.


    The first act of the episode is pretty tense and exciting – the Enterprise tries to help and ship in distress and almost gets destroyed as a result, leading on to new adventures! Then we end up in what looks like a negative universe and everything goes very strange, very quickly. For unexplained reasons the crew all start growing younger at an accelerated rate and travel time across half the galaxy takes only a few minutes. This means that the aged Commodore April (now a strapping man in the prime of his life) must assume command and save the day, returning the Enterprise and her crew of babies back to our own universe. Commodore April solves the deaging problem faster than it would take Doctor McCoy to pick up a hyprospray and rounds the adventure off by making out with his hot, young wife. :cool:

    The message of the show (that old people can still be useful) is a bit muddled, as April only steps up to the plate when his young, healthy body is restored. There’s also the issue that he retains no memory of his twilight years, believing himself at that time to be a Starship captain in his thirties.
    This whole story is weird, even by TAS standards. And I wonder if Commodore April is the reason why…


    A TALL TALE…
    Even during the first act something is a little off – Commodore April’s declaration that “no natural object can travel Warp 36” is a redundant since NO natural phenomena can move faster than the speed of light (Lights Of Zetar). Then the Enterprise locks a tractor beam onto it anyway (that must have been some pinpoint timing by Sulu) but remains being towed at a speed of Warp 22 at a distance of 13 seconds.
    Even assuming the (slow) WF^3 formula, this means the Enterprise tractor beam has a maximum range of 191 billion kilometres (32 times the furthest distance of Pluto) :eek:

    Details like this are indicative of an unreliable narrator, almost as if these events are being retold by someone who was present for the events but doesn’t recall them clearly or is maybe exaggerating them for sake of the audience. Someone like a Commodore regaling his companions at the retirement colony with a fantastic and overly embellished version of what happened on his “final mission”? :shrug:

    If so, this would justify the spoonfed nature of other details too – things like Kirk having to ask for Universal Translator to be engaged (instead of it happening automatically) and Uhura making reference to the impressive sounding “universal language” they speak instead of common English (numerous references in all 3 seasons of TOS)

    This would also explain the incoherent mess that is the backwards universe since April is making most of it up on the fly. For example, time flows backwards but the crew hear speech normally because their brains are working in reverse too – so why would Scotty’s engineers have to “learn” to operate their machinery backwards? Why would the Enterprise be seen as moving backwards? If time flowing in reverse is normal to Karla’s people, why would she have a “son” that’s older than her under any circumstances? Then Spock says that it’s logical that people are “born old” – who is that physically possible? Or does he mean that corpses un-rot and then come to life? Why would Karla’s people see that as “coming to life”? Or is birth a time of sorrow as that person “dies”?

    Then there’s the time and distance issues – Karla’s homeworld and the target supernova are shown on the map to be about half a galaxy away from each other, a map that perfectly corresponds in size to the Milky Way. Yet that half-galaxy trek is a mere 18 minutes! Did April get confused about what he’d described in the previous scene?

    Additionally, the crew grow younger at an incredibly accelerated rate! I suppose this could be explained by the fact that they’re intruders from a different universe, but did Karla also experience the same phenomena in ours?
    Then, as everyone de-ages they also forget the knowledge that they’d leaned previously, April even forgetting his rank and assuming he is a captain again. If knowledge of the past can’t be retained, how do any of them carry out their desperate mission?

    Finally, the Transporter is the magical cureall for the 3rd time in 17 episodes. This time though it doesn’t just restore the physical pattern of those who last went through it, the magical machine can fix all 430 people on board, including restoring the memories which they lost IN A DIFFERENT UNIVERSE!!! :brickwall:

    So much is explained if this is the faint recollections of a somewhat elderly Commodore, years after the events. There’s no information on how much alcohol was involved during the retelling…



    OTHER THOUGHTS
    • In a lovely nod to continuity the Enterprise returns the Beta Niobe supernova from All Our Yesterdays, an episode considered by many fans to be the “proper” TOS finale.
    • Sarah carries the lovely “plot metaphor” flower from Capella IV. Hey, last week we met the Capellan power cat. Capella is rapidly becoming the new Rigel! :biggrin:
    • Just as in That Which Survives the spaceframe of the Enterprise is shown to be incredibly tough, surviving speeds of up to Warp 22! This time they’re not providing the propulsion though so it’s quite justified by those standards.
    • In his captain’s log Kirk describes the strange realm they’re in as an “antimatter universe”. All together now – “what of Lazarus”? :guffaw:
    • In a rare piece of sensibly written plot development halfway through the episode, the overlay and calculations Spock uses to determine the next point of crossover is quite well realised. That large map table is pretty cool too.
    • Last week the landing party got scared faces - this week everyone gets complete child versions of themselves!
    • As a child Spock retains his adult baritone, even though we know from Yesteryear that he sounded different then. Maybe his voice just broke at a young age? :whistle:

    After saving the day, Commodore Robert April decides NOT to stay youthful, stating that he would not want to live his life again any other way. That’s all well and good, but he can retain his life lived AND live some more AND do it with Sarah by his side. More amazingly, Dr April agrees with her husband. I guess they really are the ideal couple! :adore:

    Anyway, he’s still technically 75 so would Starfleet really allow him to keep working, despite his apparent young age? Later, Strafleet offers to reconsider his mandatory retirement, potentially allowing him to remain Federation Ambassador at large. I bet that job would be easier with a bit less arthritis in his bones!:wah:

    If looked at as an interesting character driven story, focusing on the importance of a person in society as they age then it’s a pretty good outing – and such tales are pretty much a Trek staple. However, whereas in D C Fontana’s Yesteryear the science fiction elements don’t hold up to much scrutiny, in this episode the SF elements positively collapse when given even a cursory examination! This is fine if the SF trappings are just there to set the scene (Yesteryear) but when they form such an integral part of the plot more thought ought to have been put into the writing.

    The adventure might have offered the Aprils a second life, but they turned that down! However, I don’t mind this line because it has a double meaning in relation to TAS – which also gave Star Trek a second life.

    The series has had its ups and downs but was at its best when trying NOT to copy TOS or retread what had come before, instead exploring the potential of the animated medium to its fullest in terms of epic scope and creature design.
    The limits of the format are unfortunately most evident in the human characters as so much of what the actors brought is stripped away when reduced to their voices and (mostly) static faces.
    However, on balance TAS is a worthy addition to the canon and I will certainly be revisiting it in the future.
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  20. Henoch

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    Of all the TAS episodes, I would like to see this last episode in a live action format. Bring in young/child actors for our heroes. Maybe Kurt Russell for a younger Kirk...but no Craig Hundley! The Aprils played by Guy Williams and June Lockhart. :whistle:
    You'd think that McCoy and Scott would last longer with both being about 10 years older than Kirk. And what about all those 22 year old ensigns on the ship? Wouldn't they have turned to goo long before we get toddler Kirk at the end? Obviously, the reverse aging is not linear. "Probably best not to think about it." :rommie: