PIC S3 Ships & Tech

[publiusr]

The blocky section of the New Jersey's navigational deflector housing extends a bit farther back on the side of the secondary hull than on any production TOS renderings I have seen--a nice look.

 

[Captain_Amasov]

My guess is that they found the most intact vessel at the scrap yard, which so happened to be a Vulcan ship, and then towed it into open space and staged the battle and ship log accordingly. They then sent out a signal that would attract the Shrike to them. It wouldn't be the first time they've done such a fake out; the phaser scarred shuttle craft from the episode "Lower Decks" for example.

 

[blssdwlf]

Spoilers for PIC episode 7:







So I’m a little confused about the DSC-era Vulcan ship T’Plana seen in this episode, and the Chin’toka ‘scrapyard.’

So first, the only explanation given for the free-floating tons of wreckage the Titan is hiding around is that it’s the ‘Chin’toka scrapyard.’ Chin’toka was the site of two battles seen on screen during the Dominion war between Starfleet and Jem’Hadar forces. The implication here is that this wreckage is the remains of Starfleet and Dominion ships from those battles. But then it should have been more accurately called a battle grave site, not a scrapyard. ‘Scrapyard’ implies something like Qualor II, where ships and wreckage were brought to a yard for storage or parts reuse, and overseen by a yard crew. This is just random wreckage flying all over the place. And the other question: just what was a Vulcan derelict ship doing there? It seems to be part of the free-floating wreckage, implying it fought in those battles decades ago. It also seems to be the only relatively intact ship there. It’s questionable why it would have participated in the battles in the first place, but why would Vadic have assumed it was still operational and chasing after the Titan? The only thing I can think of is that the ship was there because of Tuvok, but he wasn’t aboard it. None of these ‘scrapyard’ scenes seem to make any sense.

Based on Laforge's line that he's been hiding them in various junkyards then the "Chin'toka Scrapyard" is probably a location where all the leftover ship debris have been tractored to get them out of civilian space lanes.

LAFORGE: Short of junkyards like this, I'm running out of places to hide us.​

The VSS T'Plana could be a ship that Laforge knew was undergoing maintenance and they stole it to stage a battle in open space to lure Vadic out to board them. If it was a previously destroyed ship I would imagine that the trick would've been detected.

 

[David cgc]

My guess was that they used the hulk of a Vulcan ship since it'd be plausible it'd be part of the Titan's manhunt, but infiltrating the Vulcan Navy wouldn't have been as high a priority as Starfleet, so Vadic would have less of a chance of seeing through the ruse than if they'd tried to claim one of the Starfleet wrecks was a ship that had just come after them and she could check up on that.

 

[Ronald Held]

Due to the lack of utopia plantia shipyards, former battle sites are being scavenged for usable parts?

 

[blssdwlf]

Due to the lack of utopia plantia shipyards, former battle sites are being scavenged for usable parts?

It would be like right out of Cosmoteer

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

Most stuff has been covered already in an episode that is tech-lite compared to last week, but:

- Captain Tuvok! He’s not wearing the same uniform as Riker, so is he serving aboard a starship as CO? His background is the same wall of the Titan briefing room that they filmed LaForge against last week, so it could be anything really.

-Ten Forward is not seen this episode, but I wonder if they finally turned it off to further the illusion of a wrecked Titan.

- We don’t know where much of this season’s geography is, but Chin’toka is a known place somewhere on the Cardassian border (in 2370s, anyway). Are we saying that the museum, Daystrom Station, and so on are relatively close together? Or moreover, does the advent of high speed warp travel render the familiar regions of the Alpha and Beta quadrants all in the same neighborhood?

Mark

 

[blssdwlf]

- We don’t know where much of this season’s geography is, but Chin’toka is a known place somewhere on the Cardassian border (in 2370s, anyway). Are we saying that the museum, Daystrom Station, and so on are relatively close together? Or moreover, does the advent of high speed warp travel render the familiar regions of the Alpha and Beta quadrants all in the same neighborhood?

Didn't the first episode have the Titan travel from Earth to the edge of Federation space in the space of what appears to be a day? It would appear that in Picard S3 they've gone back to fast warp vs the slow warp formula from the majority of TNG.

 

[Tosk]

So first, the only explanation given for the free-floating tons of wreckage the Titan is hiding around is that it’s the ‘Chin’toka scrapyard.’ Chin’toka was the site of two battles seen on screen during the Dominion war between Starfleet and Jem’Hadar forces. The implication here is that this wreckage is the remains of Starfleet and Dominion ships from those battles. But then it should have been more accurately called a battle grave site, not a scrapyard. ‘Scrapyard’ implies something like Qualor II, where ships and wreckage were brought to a yard for storage or parts reuse, and overseen by a yard crew. This is just random wreckage flying all over the place. And the other question: just what was a Vulcan derelict ship doing there? It seems to be part of the free-floating wreckage, implying it fought in those battles decades ago. It also seems to be the only relatively intact ship there. It’s questionable why it would have participated in the battles in the first place, but why would Vadic have assumed it was still operational and chasing after the Titan? The only thing I can think of is that the ship was there because of Tuvok, but he wasn’t aboard it. None of these ‘scrapyard’ scenes seem to make any sense.

Respectfully, I think you're fighting to make it fit. If you simply take the location as it is labelled, then it makes perfect sense for the Vulcan ship to be there. It's a scrapyard. Is the location of it due to a massive battle taking place in the system? Most likely!

 

[jackoverfull]

Are we saying that the museum, Daystrom Station, and so on are relatively close together?

given that Picard says they’re “minutes away” from DS while still at the museum I’d hope they are very close!

 

[Dukhat]

Respectfully, I think you're fighting to make it fit. If you simply take the location as it is labelled, then it makes perfect sense for the Vulcan ship to be there. It's a scrapyard. Is the location of it due to a massive battle taking place in the system? Most likely!

I get that. I still find it odd that of all the wreckage at that scrapyard, the only intact ship was Vulcan, right after Seven just finished talking to who she thought was Tuvok. It’s like they wanted *irony* with using a fake Vulcan transmission from a derelict Vulcan ship after almost being fooled by a fake Vulcan person, even though faux-Tuvok had nothing to do with that ship being there. Wouldn’t it have made more sense for the ship to be new, have Tuvok be aboard it, have it rendezvoused with the Titan after Seven called him, and then have the Titan disable it after Seven realized Tuvok was a Changeling?

 

[Tosk]

I still find it odd that of all the wreckage at that scrapyard, the only intact ship was Vulcan

We only saw a tiny bit of what was presumably a rather large scrapyard, so there may have been other intact wrecks nearby. But they took what was the most intact one and dragged it elsewhere to set up their ruse. Maybe it was supposed to be a wink to fakeTuvok, I dunno.

 

[Ronald Held]

Can we be sure the Changeling got Tuvok's uniform and rank correctly?

 

[Macintosh]

Can we be sure the Changeling got Tuvok's uniform and rank correctly?

Surely if they hadn't Seven would have noticed straight away.

 

[Dukhat]

We only saw a tiny bit of what was presumably a rather large scrapyard, so there may have been other intact wrecks nearby. But they took what was the most intact one and dragged it elsewhere to set up their ruse.

Well, the wreck was already (conveniently) there after Seven spoke with faux-Tuvok before they even came up with the idea for a ruse. I just think it would have made more sense for it to have been Tuvok's ship rather than some random wreck that just *happened* to be a Vulcan ship. Or better yet, not have it be a Vulcan ship at all, but a relatively intact Starfleet vessel from the Dominion war, because the Tuvok/Vulcan ship metaphor was just kinda silly.

 

[Space Socialist]

Hence my earlier point about "Enterprise-class being the intent of the production teams of at least TMP and TWoK". This certainly was not the case in later movies when there was some production crossover with TNG.



Indeed it does...

...Though quite what Scotty of all people needs with such a basic technical schematic is anyone's guess!

Perhaps topping up his Starfleet pension by co-authoring an engineering textbook, in which that schematic appears?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

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This is fun for those of you who dislike some of the design issues with the Inquiry Class.

 

[publiusr]

The shovel

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Spoiler: We finally get Personal Shields =D

Given how small it is, the Shield Ball looks about the size of a tennis ball; I wonder how strong are the Personal Shields, how long can it last and what are it's limits =D.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

We’ve had life support belts for decades..!

Mark