PIC S3 Ships & Tech
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[Bashir walks almost completely by the open Defiant airlock, before noticing that it’s occupied. Inside, O’Brien is putting on his space suit helmet with one hand, while holding a comically-oversized paintbrush with the other. On the ground sits several futuristic paint buckets.]
Bashir: Miles, what on Earth are you doing? We’re about to head to Cardassia to end the war.
O’Brien: I know. It’s a personal project. I’m going to repaint the registry number of this new ship to match our old Defiant.
Bashir: What? Why?
O’Brien: I want to make this ship more like the one we lost. The new Lexington’s crew did the same thing a few years back. I loved our old ship.
Bashir: No one even looks at our ship that close. It’s not like we’re in the Fleet Museum. Wouldn’t you like to spend some time with your wife, or me, or—
O’Brien: I *loved* our old ship.
[Bashir stares at his friend for a beat, then sighs in defeat. He enters the airlock and starts putting on another space suit.]
Bashir: Well let’s get a move on then, before anyone notices what we’re doing. And after we get back from Cardsssia, let’s change the carpets too.
Bashir: Miles, what on Earth are you doing? We’re about to head to Cardassia to end the war.
O’Brien: I know. It’s a personal project. I’m going to repaint the registry number of this new ship to match our old Defiant.
Bashir: What? Why?
O’Brien: I want to make this ship more like the one we lost. The new Lexington’s crew did the same thing a few years back. I loved our old ship.
Bashir: No one even looks at our ship that close. It’s not like we’re in the Fleet Museum. Wouldn’t you like to spend some time with your wife, or me, or—
O’Brien: I *loved* our old ship.
[Bashir stares at his friend for a beat, then sighs in defeat. He enters the airlock and starts putting on another space suit.]
Bashir: Well let’s get a move on then, before anyone notices what we’re doing. And after we get back from Cardsssia, let’s change the carpets too.
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Blass took the registry number from the TNG USS Lexington article at Memory Alpha. The problem was that MA took the registry of *a* Lexington from the barely perceptible ship list in “Measure of a Man” which was 30405, and gave it to the Nebula class ship seen in DS9. MOAM was produced a year before the idea of the Nebula class even existed, so that 30405 Lexington was clearly not meant to be a Nebula class, but instead an older class based on that low registry (in every other case, a Nebula class has always had a 6XXXX or 7XXXX registry.) But MA insisted on merging the two ships together, since we never saw the Nebula Lexington’s registry on the studio model on screen, despite the MOAM registry not making sense for that ship.
Of course, one can argue that registries are not chronological, but it’s still awkward that 14 Nebula class ships have 6XXXX and 7XXXX registries, but this one is an extreme outlier. It would have been more logical to assume that the 30405 Lexington was in service at the beginning of TNG but was decommissioned and replaced by the newer Nebula class by the time we actually see the ship in DS9.
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Is the USS Pioneer seen in the display actually the Pioneer-class used in Star Trek Online's Agents of Yesterday storyline? I think the registry number and profile match.
https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Pioneer_class?file=Pioneer_class.jpg
https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Pioneer_class?file=Pioneer_class.jpg
I get what you're saying, completely. While we know that registry numbers are basically bullshit to the writers, we in the community try to work out the logic.
That being said, 30405 is close enough to reasonably be something like a later Ambassador class or a second wave Excelsior Class like Valley Forge. Most of the known Ambassadors, the 1701-C being the exception have 2XXXX series numbers.
Like I said before, if Lexington had appeared earlier, she'd likely have used the Excelsior model.
I presume due to lack of will and or budget, come up with consistent size and scale for at least the Museum ships.
Because the ships weren't being seen up-close (like Excelsior, Lexington, Saratoga) they just used low LOD models from STO. The "hero" ships we saw up close were higher detail STO models lol.
All of the existing ships, IE Voyager, the E-A, etc just use in-game assets maybe touched up a bit.
All of the existing ships, IE Voyager, the E-A, etc just use in-game assets maybe touched up a bit.
Excellent - not all of the TOS-style classes in STO look good, but I have a soft spot for that one (since it's your starter ship but also because it does look like a "baby Connie" that might fulfil a similar dynamic to the Connie as the Intrepid did to the Galaxy - is it printable via GamePrint? It looks a bit tricky to kitbash, and Eaglemoss never got around to it sadly.
It’s available!
GamePrint link: https://gameprint.integralrealitylabs.com/gameprint/product/eeh9vbTEhS5HKzxZ3
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I think the Pioneer was the best TOS ship that STO has put out. The Theseus is my close second. The Atlas looks like an overweight Constitution, and the Ranger and the Gemini are ok.
For the folks unfamiliar with these STO ships, take a peek here: https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10015203
I got a model of the Atlas, too. It looks nice chonky without just having extra bits glued on.
I really like the 26th century counterparts as well. Love seeing an unknown era being filled in. STO Image Link: https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10033953
They've used an AI-upscaler so that the shots from the ep can be zoomed in. Also done on the Excelsior, Stargazer, K'T'inga, NX-01, Argo, Defiant, and Wersching. And there are a few that they probably were going to use it on but didn't, and can be seen to be pixelated and have image artifacts. (Sentinel, Lexington, Pioneer, Romulan Bird of Prey.)Why does the Saratoga look like it’s had some kind of swirly art filter done on it but the others look normal? Kind of a noodle-scratcher.
To be fair, I don’t think the writers and producers view registry numbers as ‘bullshit.’ If that were the case, we would have numbers like NCC-K12G8W, or NCC-09. Almost all of the new ships shown in DSC and PIC have numbers that roughly correspond to the time period they were built. (Lower Decks has more problematic registries for their California class ships, but that’s another story.) I just found it weird in this instance that as meticulous as Blass has been to give out all the PIC ship information, that it didn’t strike him as odd that a Nebula class would have such a low registry. But he just copy-pasted erroneous ship length info from the piss-poor DS9 tech manual, so maybe I’m giving him more credit here than he deserves.
Imagine being the curator of the Daystrom Station.
Oh the secrets that are there to be kept from the public and the things you can research.
Oh the secrets that are there to be kept from the public and the things you can research.
The real life curator of the battleship New Jersey recently posted a video about his thoughts on the starship New Jersey in Picard and museum ships in scifi. It's an interesting perspective. 
Spoilers for PIC episode 7:
So I’m a little confused about the DSC-era Vulcan ship T’Plana seen in this episode, and the Chin’toka ‘scrapyard.’
So first, the only explanation given for the free-floating tons of wreckage the Titan is hiding around is that it’s the ‘Chin’toka scrapyard.’ Chin’toka was the site of two battles seen on screen during the Dominion war between Starfleet and Jem’Hadar forces. The implication here is that this wreckage is the remains of Starfleet and Dominion ships from those battles. But then it should have been more accurately called a battle grave site, not a scrapyard. ‘Scrapyard’ implies something like Qualor II, where ships and wreckage were brought to a yard for storage or parts reuse, and overseen by a yard crew. This is just random wreckage flying all over the place. And the other question: just what was a Vulcan derelict ship doing there? It seems to be part of the free-floating wreckage, implying it fought in those battles decades ago. It also seems to be the only relatively intact ship there. It’s questionable why it would have participated in the battles in the first place, but why would Vadic have assumed it was still operational and chasing after the Titan? The only thing I can think of is that the ship was there because of Tuvok, but he wasn’t aboard it. None of these ‘scrapyard’ scenes seem to make any sense.
So I’m a little confused about the DSC-era Vulcan ship T’Plana seen in this episode, and the Chin’toka ‘scrapyard.’
So first, the only explanation given for the free-floating tons of wreckage the Titan is hiding around is that it’s the ‘Chin’toka scrapyard.’ Chin’toka was the site of two battles seen on screen during the Dominion war between Starfleet and Jem’Hadar forces. The implication here is that this wreckage is the remains of Starfleet and Dominion ships from those battles. But then it should have been more accurately called a battle grave site, not a scrapyard. ‘Scrapyard’ implies something like Qualor II, where ships and wreckage were brought to a yard for storage or parts reuse, and overseen by a yard crew. This is just random wreckage flying all over the place. And the other question: just what was a Vulcan derelict ship doing there? It seems to be part of the free-floating wreckage, implying it fought in those battles decades ago. It also seems to be the only relatively intact ship there. It’s questionable why it would have participated in the battles in the first place, but why would Vadic have assumed it was still operational and chasing after the Titan? The only thing I can think of is that the ship was there because of Tuvok, but he wasn’t aboard it. None of these ‘scrapyard’ scenes seem to make any sense.
Perhaps there might have been a concerted effort to clean up the debris from the battles and contain them in one of the system's major Lagrangian points to avoid a giant "Kessler syndrome" situation rendering the entire Chin'toka system hazardous to space travel? It could even have been part of the Dominion reparations and post-war rebuilding. Or maybe the system became an equivalent of a depot for Dominion War-era ships specifically, from all sides of the conflict? Or perhaps some combination of the two.
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