PIC S3 Ships & Tech
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Indeed. It is almost exactly as wide as it is long.
Exactly. To this day, she still follows her proud tradition of shifting scales.
Also, a Nebula-class and a Galaxy-class are surely the same width – around 470m.It is really cool that Mr Blass is sharing the museum images but are they even paying attention to the numbers?
The Nebula-class Lexington is not longer than its width. Even someone looking at the top view can see that with the grid...
These numbers are copied from the DS9 Technical Manual which had its fair share of measurement problems. The Starship Spotter has the Nebula at 465 x 467,1 x 140,5
The Nebula has always seemed smaller than the Galaxy saucer - putting one against the other, namely the Phoenix flying in formation next to the Enterprise-D, makes the differences pretty stark IMO. The original model always looked like it had a couple less decks thanks to all the missing windows - but the subsequent CG model put all the windows back in, so YMMV.
Say, did Jackill's ever publish a TNG era book? I have the first two in hardcopy, but even that was ages ago...
Edit: Answering my own question...
Mark
Say, did Jackill's ever publish a TNG era book? I have the first two in hardcopy, but even that was ages ago...
Edit: Answering my own question...
Mark
The Arleigh Burke class destroyers is an example of a class that was restarted after the initial production had ended. The Zumwalt Class destroyers were initially to be a large batch, but was dramatically reduced in number owing to various problems with the design, so they instead restarted the production the Arleigh Burkes. I believe Flight III and then Flight IV were the new batches.
But restarting production of the Constitution 100+ years after the last one has no real world precedent that I know of. Hard to imagine a 1920s class being restarted. But if they are going to have a "neo-Constitution" (that may just be a nickname), I would prefer they just have a new bloc/batch/flight of Constitutions. Larger, heavier, faster, and more powerful obviously. I may take my own crack in the Art board at a rebooted Constitution design.
But restarting production of the Constitution 100+ years after the last one has no real world precedent that I know of. Hard to imagine a 1920s class being restarted. But if they are going to have a "neo-Constitution" (that may just be a nickname), I would prefer they just have a new bloc/batch/flight of Constitutions. Larger, heavier, faster, and more powerful obviously. I may take my own crack in the Art board at a rebooted Constitution design.
The top view seems to have paid greater attention to the scales involved. Except for the Bounty - it's insanely upscaled to K'Vort levels, when it should be a B'Rel.
The promo poster is pretty cool, though.
Some amusing observations about the individual ship pictures:
- The schematics they used for the Excelsior look like they came from the Jackill's book (or my site). Strange how they didn't use the official Eaglemoss orthos. Probably because they were based off the Greg Jein Excelsior from VOY's "Flashback" (with the narrower secondary hull) and not quite as accurate as the Jackill's version that were drawn from the original miniature.
- The schematics used for the New Jersey appear to be the first pilot Enterprise, with the oversized bridge dome (with big forward window) and nav deflector, and with the nacelle antennas cut off. They also have added some primary hull phaser banks that were definitely not on any version of that ship that I'm aware of. Further, they look like the diagrams that the late, great, Neale "Vance" Davidson did - specifically his template style with the rounded lines in the bussard domes that no other schematics use. Probably an amalgamation of different hull pieces using his templates.
- The 1701-A schematics also look like they're straight out of Jackill's books.
- The "Kronos One" schematics appear to be the non-modified original K'T'inga schematics from the 1980 David Kimble TMP blueprints set (without the call-outs). The CG model also seems to be missing some of the "bling" details that the original had. Understandable, really, there were a LOT of brass photo-etch bits that ILM put on that thing.
- The schematics used for the Saratoga are most definitely the Jackill diagrams ... for a standard Miranda-class with rollbar.
- The schematics for the Nebula are also Jackill's, with the more squat (and accurate) secondary hull, used by the original physical Phoenix/Sutherland model, as opposed to the wider Galaxy-style Bonchune secondary that were used in later CG models.
I'm presuming the Saratoga is meant to be another ship of the same class, since Sisko's ship was destroyed at W359?
If I read those tweets right, the museum display model of the Saratoga is kind of a full-size kit bash Starfleet made out of other ships!
It's supposed to be the Saratoga from TVH that was modified to represent both the 2280's Saratoga and the 2360's Saratoga as an honor to both.
Is there a clearer picture of the museum model somewhere? I'm curious because the dorsal perspective is too small to really see much detail, and I've always personally assumed that Sisko's Saratoga was just a refitted version of the ship that originally appeared in TVH.
Restarting production on older models isn't feasible in real life. Boeing only just stopped building 747s, but much of the tooling still exists at least for now to create spare parts. The market doesn't exist for large four engined planes anymore, but if there was a sudden need for more 747s, they could probably still restart production. The market has shifted towards smaller, two-engined planes, and the older Boeing 757 has become a valuable vehicle for this reason, despite ending production in 2006. Boeing however can't simply restart the production line as it was disassembled completely to make room for other models, and it would cost too much to rebuild the line (and everyone who worked on the line has long since moved on). So instead they focused on making variants of the even older 737 to be longer and carry more people / fuel / cargo, modernizing a decades-old design. Recall the two fatal crashes of the 737 MAX8 for the results of this.
Bringing this back to Starfleet, there's only so much blood you can get from a stone. You could fix the Enterprise-E easily after her saucer got wrecked, especially if the class was still being built or maintained - but years after, it would make sense to build something else, and IMO that's why we have the Enterprise-F.
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Bringing this back to Starfleet, there's only so much blood you can get from a stone. You could fix the Enterprise-E easily after her saucer got wrecked, especially if the class was still being built or maintained - but years after, it would make sense to build something else, and IMO that's why we have the Enterprise-F.
Mark
AH! That would explain the rollbar on the schematic. I missed that - good explanation, thank you!
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It'll eat anything, Plants, Flesh, etc and breed more of itself.
It also has gained a "Face Hugger" like attack with multiple small teeth.
It'll eat anything, Plants, Flesh, etc and breed more of itself.
It also has gained a "Face Hugger" like attack with multiple small teeth.
I wonder if they mistakenly assumed Sisko’s ship was still operational and retconned the old Saratoga explanation after the fact? Unfortunately I get the impression that they don’t like to admit when they make mistakes.
And I’m still miffed that they used the barely-perceptible 30405 registry from Measure of a Man for the Nebula class Lexington. I mean, c’mon, Dave, I love that you’re sharing all this ship info with us, but this was clearly incorrect.
And I’m still miffed that they used the barely-perceptible 30405 registry from Measure of a Man for the Nebula class Lexington. I mean, c’mon, Dave, I love that you’re sharing all this ship info with us, but this was clearly incorrect.
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If that were true they could‘ve just as easily claimed that the ship was named something else. It really wasn‘t visible in the episode so we wouldn‘t have noticed the cover-up.
Kinda funny having the Saratoga there if they wanted a Sisko/DS9 connection, I mean the Defiant is right there. The ship that he had a hand in designing to boot.
Why does the Saratoga look like it’s had some kind of swirly art filter done on it but the others look normal? Kind of a noodle-scratcher. 
Maybe it’s a repaint of the same-class Saratoga-A: https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Saratoga_(NCC-31911-A)
That’s the registry used on Memory Alpha. Sorry, what is the problem with this registry number?
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